Ran into this proposal for a naval version of the spitfire based on the Spitfire F Mk IV (Griffon engine, entered service as the Mk XII).
The big change is obviously the folding reverse-gull wing which has the benefit of widening the notoriously narrow landing gear.
Expected development was late 1939/early 1940, which puts it neatly in the third year of this timeline's conflict with Japan. To my knowledge this particular design was shelved because Spitfire production was needed in Europe, in this timeline it might get a chance at production if the Germans can behave themselves that long.
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If it does start flying in the Pacific it should beat the wings off anything the Japanese can put in the air and would be one hell of a step up for carrier fighter performance, the Americans would still be relying on the Wildcat when this monster took to the air.
The proposal illustrated is that of February 1942, see Morgan & Shacklady, Spitfire: the History, Key Books, 2000, p549.
In May of 1938 Richard Fairey refused to build the Spitfire in lieu of the Fulmar.
2nd of January 1940 Joe Smith forwarded a proposal for a Griffon-engined, folding -wing, Spitfire on an enquiry from DAM, FAA. This was rejected by the drunk in charge of the Admiralty on 29th of March. ibid, pp307-309
If Fairey were kicked up the arse soon after the POD the FAA might be in receipt of "Seafires" in the autumn of 1940. This, bar local strengthening (POSSIBLY the Griffon) and folding wings, would have looked like any other Spitfire. This would be in line with OTL where the good enough got the wink rather than the best, which took longer. See Spitfire Mk V, IX, etc.
This would still only be an adequate deck-launched interceptor, NOT a Wildcat equivalent. The Spitfire simply doesn't have the legs, and no amount of re-design short of what would amount to a whole new aircraft would rectify that.
 
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Well, not all IJA documentation, but there is a HUGE hole in it.


Or maybe the Imperial Japanese Army General Staff Office burnt down by accident, or maybe it ate a 16" shell from the IJN, or maybe they were carted off to somewhere inaccessible by another party. Plenty of explanations, some more concerning than others.

Yes, of course! Which is why speculation is such fun.
 
Frankly, I have a hard time seeing Seafires any time soon, production was a mess, and RAF would be very unlikely to give up any to the FAA. It seems that FAA is going to have to rely on Sea Gladiators as their primary naval fighter, put their hopes into Fairey Fulmar and pray for Seafire... Sea Hurricanes could be a decent enough stopgap, but it too was only ramping up production, and while it could be navalized relatively easily, not all RN CVs could actually operate it, due to the lift size limitations.

Though, now that British are in a shooting war, that bring on an additional layer of urgency, and some things, like the above mentioned SeaHurri, Fulmar or Seafire could very well end up seeing service earlier, or a very least being somewhat more refined then their OTL versions. Who knows, we may see an additional Indomitable Sub-class CV or two being laid down, as a need for modern CVs is suddenly considered even more urgent. Thing is, we really do not know all that much, as OP has been keeping the cards close to his chest, but I do hope we see some sort of update detailing the procurement changes ITTL.
 
Who knows, we may see an additional Indomitable Sub-class CV or two being laid down, as a need for modern CVs is suddenly considered even more urgent.
If it is for a war in the Far East then it may well be repeat Ark Royals being laid down. They were originally designed for service against Japan where land based air was less of a concern and aircraft capacity more important (harder to resupply), the armoured carriers were for North Sea / Med service.

But sadly I doubt any extra capital ships are getting built. Even if they copy the plans of an existing design and start immediately it's 3 years from laying the keel to commissioning, I doubt anyone in London expects the war to last that long.
 
If it is for a war in the Far East then it may well be repeat Ark Royals being laid down. They were originally designed for service against Japan where land based air was less of a concern and aircraft capacity more important (harder to resupply), the armoured carriers were for North Sea / Med service.

But sadly I doubt any extra capital ships are getting built. Even if they copy the plans of an existing design and start immediately it's 3 years from laying the keel to commissioning, I doubt anyone in London expects the war to last that long.

4 of the Armoured carriers had already been laid down by the start of this POD and if anything I can see their commissioning date brought forwards with less focus on escorts and Merchant shipping delaying it as per OTL

I can see HMS Unicorn's laying down brought forwards and we may even see one or both of her proposed sisters being laid down given their intended roll

The other thing is that we might see is a darling of mine (that is usually and quite rightly murdered) in the 3 Hawkins class cruisers being converted into light carriers

OTL this idea was snuffed, but in this TL?
 
If it is for a war in the Far East then it may well be repeat Ark Royals being laid down. They were originally designed for service against Japan where land based air was less of a concern and aircraft capacity more important (harder to resupply), the armoured carriers were for North Sea / Med service.

But sadly I doubt any extra capital ships are getting built. Even if they copy the plans of an existing design and start immediately it's 3 years from laying the keel to commissioning, I doubt anyone in London expects the war to last that long.

Thing is, that the RN still has Med and the North Sea to worry about, areas for which Arm. CV was designed for, so I doubt we will see a return to an "unarmoured" CV, like the Ark Royal. However, there is a possibility of British laying down a CV which does not have to keep to the 23k ton limit, perhaps avoiding Implacables entirely, or at least building them to a modified design, thus avoiding the 14ft high hangars which were problematic as the aircraft size increased.

I still however do think they could lay down a few more CVs, they have a single modern CV, the rest being conversions or relatively small one-offs. The sheer age of the fleet may mean that they really could do with a couple more CVs, even if we are only talking about repeat Illustrious/Indomitable class. Not to mention, that while Sea Gladiator is currently the mainstay, their next purpose built fighter, the Fairey Fulmar, is quite a bit bigger and heavier, and I do not think it can be used (or at least stored?) on the Hermes, Argus and Eagle, due to lift size restrictions, though I am unsure about that.

Still, you may have a point, and who knows, maybe ITTL, RN ends up with something closely resembling the Audacious or Malta class, still well protected, but with large enough airwing as well...
 
Frankly, I have a hard time seeing Seafires any time soon, production was a mess, and RAF would be very unlikely to give up any to the FAA. It seems that FAA is going to have to rely on Sea Gladiators as their primary naval fighter, put their hopes into Fairey Fulmar and pray for Seafire... Sea Hurricanes could be a decent enough stopgap, but it too was only ramping up production, and while it could be navalized relatively easily, not all RN CVs could actually operate it, due to the lift size limitations.

Though, now that British are in a shooting war, that bring on an additional layer of urgency, and some things, like the above mentioned SeaHurri, Fulmar or Seafire could very well end up seeing service earlier, or a very least being somewhat more refined then their OTL versions. Who knows, we may see an additional Indomitable Sub-class CV or two being laid down, as a need for modern CVs is suddenly considered even more urgent. Thing is, we really do not know all that much, as OP has been keeping the cards close to his chest, but I do hope we see some sort of update detailing the procurement changes ITTL.

The RAF wont really get a say here. Britain is in a shooting war with a naval power on the other side of the world. The need is to get as many naval aircraft built as possible and as the RN is doing most of the heavy lifting in the war what they need they get.
 
The RAF wont really get a say here. Britain is in a shooting war with a naval power on the other side of the world. The need is to get as many naval aircraft built as possible and as the RN is doing most of the heavy lifting in the war what they need they get.

Even if the FAA suddenly got all Spitfires in existance, there are still quite a few problems before we can see any of them in action. IOTL, when they actually got to it, it took roughly half a year or so, from testing to actual deliveries to squadron, but we should be aware that these were Seafire Ib's, a rather rough adaptation,lacking folding mechanism and fitted with Arrestor Gear.

Though, Hurricanes are much more likely option for the next FAA naval fighter. It has entered service already, and its production methods mean that it is going to be availlable in much greater numbers, and much sooner then Spitfire. Its navalization process is going to be rather straightforward, and its construction may be considered a better choice for a Naval Fighter, if only due to robustness and ease of repair it provides. If it enteres service soon, it may be among the, if not the best Naval Fighter in the world, for a time at least. There should not be many problems operating it from most of the existing RN CVs, as the 3 Courageous class, Ark Royal and Hermes would be more then capable of operating it, while Argus and Eagle will have to do with Sea Gladiators. Stowage might be somewhat problematic though, due to them not having folding wings, but even that is not too much of an obstacle TBH, as it seems that when needed to, British did figure out the Outriggers rather quickly, to allow them to stow more aircraft on a CV.

But, with all that in mind, we may see several things happen. FAA might get out of under RAF somewhat earlier then IOTL. Spitfire production too could get up to speed, as the mismanagment is realized and stopped earlier, thus allowing for greater numbers becoming availlable to both RAF and FAA. Also, while FAA might end up relying on Sea Gladiators and Hurricanes, they might get a couple of Spitfires to test out and play with, so ITTL folding wing Seafire might become availlable earlier, which is really neccesary, considering that the 3 Illustrious class CVs being buillt, have lifts that are too small to fit SeaHurris or Seafires.

EDIT: What I am trying to get at, is that in the end, FAA might be somewhat better off then IOTL. I mean, presuming that European theatre goes off, and that Italy jumps in, RN CVs in the Med could at worst starting to see SeaHurri enter into service in greater numbers, with perhaps some Non-Folding Seafires to follow shortly. Some CVs are however going to have to operate something else, Sea Gladiator for the Argus and Eagle, and either folding-wing Seafires, Fairey Fulmars or US bought aircraft for the Illustrious CVs.
 
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If the mismanagement epic that was Castle Bromwich is identified, diagnosed and fixed in 1939, that changes a huge number of things. A fully-functioning Castle Bromwich will be churning out Spitfires like crazy, changing the aircraft mix substantially. The RAF still has to find a lot more pilots, but it's nice to have that luxury.
 
If the mismanagement epic that was Castle Bromwich is identified, diagnosed and fixed in 1939, that changes a huge number of things. A fully-functioning Castle Bromwich will be churning out Spitfires like crazy, changing the aircraft mix substantially. The RAF still has to find a lot more pilots, but it's nice to have that luxury.

It would also allow Hurricane production to be sold to 3rd Parties (Dutch, Belgian etc) - if Spitfire production is stood up 12 months earlier - giving those nations a front line fighter in greater numbers.

Britain was in 1939 - 41 building more aircraft than anyone else OTL - in this POD being on a war footing earlier starts the ramp up of the Aircraft scheme and the Shadow scheme earlier.
 
11. How Fares The Homefront?
The Workshop of the World Shakes out the Rust: Britain’s Economic Mobilization

For about a century the UK had been the most industrious country on the planet. It was during this century that the island nation built most of its outsized empire. The relative security and isolation of its island meant that it normally didn’t spend too much on its military, instead preferring to massively upscale in the event of war. This tendency had meant that the UK was only a spectator to many of the most pivotal conflicts of the 19th Century. Yet, as the Great War showed, in a long conflict the UK absolutely could bring the full might of one of the planet’s largest economies to bear against its foes.

Japan never had the ability to force a short war on Britain.

Britain was already in the midst of the largest peacetime rearmament in 1938, but even bearing that in mind a noticeable production spike began in November. In 1938 the UK would produce over 6,000 aircraft, approximately 1,000 tanks, well over 70,000 trucks, and hundreds of thousands of tonnes of merchant ships. Across the Isles factories hummed and clattered as trains carried their product to the ports where they were then shipped overseas.

Things were not entirely smooth sailing. If the war broke out in Asia in November of 1938, it came to Britain in January of 1939. In the cold early hours of January 16th London, Birmingham, and Manchester were shaken awake by explosions. Though only one died this day England was shaken, and it would remain shaking. These bombings represented the start of the Irish Republican Army’s “S Plan”, a brutal campaign of sabotage and terrorism indiscriminately targeting the UK’s civil and military infrastructure.

Storefront in Coventry blown out by IRA bombs.

It did not take long to make the obvious connection between the attacks and the earlier “declaration of war” the IRA had issued to “the invaders”. Almost immediately there was some clamour for the British Army to occupy Ireland in its entirety and shake it upside down for bombs and bombers. In another government this may have beared fruit, but Chamberlain was a seasoned diplomat following his maneuvering around Germany and he was determined to keep that reputation.

That put the matter onto Éamon de Valera, who at first seemed hesitant to act but came around once the British captured a copy of the S-Plan on the 5th of February.

That also did much to mollify the labour-lead opposition, which was anxious to avoid yet another distraction from the growing fascist block. Labour however still found issue with the Conservative’s conduct in the war. Not in the typical leftist sense. Heavens no, Atlee’s Labour Party was astonishingly patriotic, royalist, and pro-military.
Rather their criticism was that the Tories were still too tight on the purse strings. The UK was supposedly gearing up at full steam for a total war, yet unemployment somehow remained well over 5%. Quite clearly one of those couldn’t be true if the other was, and the unemployment numbers were pretty firm.

The Tory counter argument was that the military industries were best suited to the task at hand, and that using wartime spending as some sort of universal stimulus package would be irresponsible and ideological. Of course, this line was not universally embraced, red tories and militarists within the Conservative party gave disapproving and disquieting murmurs.


Japan’s Greatest Natural Resource is the Japanese: Spiritual Mobilization

Japan had already been at war for a year and a half. If it’s people were becoming weary of the casualty reports, declining standard of living, and increased regimentation of society, then they kept their complaints to themselves. For a country that mere years earlier had been rife with political violence and conflicting mass movements, the Japanese had seemingly found solidarity.

Pacifist and anti-militarists, active earlier in the 30s, had been silenced, driven underground, or out of the country entirely by the Tokko. Gone were the socialists, the unions had been nationalized. The League of Blood and the Kodoha had been silenced or satiated by the militarists. Even the political parties were little more than another mouthpiece for the military elite. Japanese Prime Minister Fumimaro Konoe saw to it that Japan was uniform in its support for the Shintaisei[1] program.

At the political level he had begun making moves to merge Japan’s four largest parties[2] into one. It was his belief that Japan needed further consolidation of opinion to win the wars which the Empire presently found itself in. Partisanship would be Japan’s death.

He also began a transformation of Japanese society by initiating the National Spiritual Mobilization Movement. This promoted greater patriotism by promoting the ideals of the indomitable Japanese Spirit, and the Emperor’s divine right to govern the entire world. It also called for greater productivity and sacrifice from the Japanese people. A further indicator of Japan's side slide into further militarist insanity would be the extensive role played by education minister and former head of the Kodoha,[3] Sadao Araki, in the movement.

During this time the bronze 5 Sen and 10 Sen coins were taken out of circulation and replaced by aluminum coins. This was one of the many efforts by the Japanese government to scrounge together as many resources as it could.

At the same time Fumimaro Konoe’s government understood that Japan’s social cohesion could only last so long with the government asking everything of the people while offer no solutions to their problems. For this reason his government began preparing the Tonarigumi. This network of neighbourhood civil defence organizations would handle rationing, public health, issuing of government bonds, and other matters. Hopefully these would allow local issues to be solved at the local level. If not, then the informants within them would ensure that the nail that sticks out still gets hammered down.


Fumimaro Konoe with his war cabinet. A keen eye may spot a large number of military personnel amongst the supposed civilian government.


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[1] New Order.

[2] Rikken Seiyūkai, Rikken Minseitō, Kokumin Dōmei, and Shakai Taishūtō.

[3] Yes, the insane militarists who had nearly caused a civil war earlier in the decade. He leadt that Kodoha. As education minister he tried to restructure Japanese upbringing around the Samurai code.

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A wee taste of matters on the home front. Next will cover both sides’ preparations for pre-typhoon season naval campaigns.
 
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From my very limited knowledge of Japanese politics, the Kodoha were even more reactionary than Tojo's faction. If Araki is getting to set the tenor of national policies, I think the UK may have found its unintentional greatest ally.
 
One thing I love about this timeline is that it's managed to capture the essence of earlier wars - colonial, naval based, non-total, fought at a distance - but with WW2 technology.

Right at the cusp of the technological changes that WW2 wrought too. Battleships are still relevant but not for much longer. Jets are on the horizon but not yet.
 
From my very limited knowledge of Japanese politics, the Kodoha were even more reactionary than Tojo's faction.
Reactionary isn't the exact correct word for it, more like completely unhinged.

If Araki is getting to set the tenor of national policies, I think the UK may have found its unintentional greatest ally.
Actually that's straight up just a little known detail from OTL. Most of this update was just OTL stuff, mind you much of it happening a bit earlier due to the war being a bit earlier.

That said, keep an eye out for my mentions of the Kodoha and their former members/associates.
 
What version of the samurai code? If it's like Nogi's interpretation maybe the treatment of pow and civilians might improve
 
12. Before the Typhoons Strike [Part 1: Japan]
Traditions Vindicated: The Japanese assessment of what went wrong off Borneo

Japan was reeling from its defeat off Borneo. The government had tried desperately to gag the press and limit knowledge of Japan’s defeat, but the number of ships not returning home, especially the absence of Kirishima and Haruna, couldn’t go unnoticed for long. It started as whispers, as sailors took to their shore-leave it quickly became an open secret that not even the Tokkō could suppress. The mighty IJN had been beaten bloody.

The IJN needed to get a win under its belt else the government might face a crisis of public faith. So the question of the day became, how to fight the British.

Perhaps the most glaring issue was numerical. The Japanese had underestimated the extent to which the British would concentrate their navy at Singapore. Not unreasonably so, Britain had after all maintained local squadrons and mounted extensive Mediterranean operations during the Great War despite building the Grand Fleet in the North Sea. That Britain would completely strip Australia of even its own navy was unbelievably bold.

Nonetheless, Japan had sent nearly half its fleet to strike at an enemy that didn’t exist while the other half ran headlong into the largest battle line seen since the Great War. It was quite evident that Japan should have stuck to the tried and true Combined Fleet model. The entire IJN was surely a match for the forces that Britain could spare from the European Theatre.

The next matter was a matter of ship quality. At the most decisive point in the action, the confrontation between the two fast battle lines, the ships were actually even at two each. That the Japanese ships had been so clearly beaten indicated that the IJN had failed in its goal of procuring individually superior vessels to make up for its quantitative handicap with the British and Americans. That the British ships had a heavier (if inferior in other ways) armament became a point of obsession, and largely served to vindicate plans for the Yamato-class’ 18” armament. Other areas of focus were the superior reaction time of the British aircraft and anti-air artillery, and the apparent vulnerability of the arrangement of the oxygen fueled torpedoes on Japan’s destroyers.


One of the massive turret wells aboard the incomplete Yamato.

IJN officials did note the extent of the attrition inflicted upon them by British submarines, and the RN’s apparent capacity for nighttime carrier operations. However, the majority of the IJN’s analysis and discussion of the western pincer operation was quite narrowly focused on the battle. Illustrative of this fact was a survey circulated of the captains who partook in the battle. Of its 33 questions only 8 did not exclusively pertain to the battle.

There was one take away of note that didn’t reinforce or refine existing doctrines. That perhaps Akagi’s air compliment would have been better spent replacing losses amongst the compliments of Kaga and Hosho rather than disembarking for land. Though the main impetus for this seems to be that the army was agitating to have Akagi’s former wings transferred to their control.


Japanese shake up: A new admiral steps up to bat

The question of who could salvage the situation was difficult to answer. The specific losses sustained would make winning a decisive gun battle difficult. This was especially if Britain continued reinforcing Singapore, and more British capital ships were due.[1]

Deciding the decisive battle had therefore fallen to the carrier wing, or at least that’s what Deputy Naval Minister Isoroku Yamamoto insisted.[2] He had a strong argument, given that the western pincer’s carrier force, despite its issues, still managed to force the British to break off their pursuit and rendered Britain’s torpedo bombers a non-factor. Meanwhile, their battle line had been battered.

Yamamoto’s solution was radical. An “air fleet”, Japan’s six[3] carriers acting as a highly mobile fleet capable of ravaging the enemy’s battle line from beyond the horizon. A single colossal strike package that would take out an enemy fleet in 1-3 sorties. This would also mean the fleet would need to travel a shorter distance to strike, thus reducing the amount of time the enemy’s attritional factors would have.[4] His argument was persuasive.

As a concession to the Fleet Faction[5], one of their own and a veteran of the Battle Off Borneo, Chūichi Nagumo, was raised to the rank of Vice Admiral so as to command this experimental fleet. He would be joined by Japanese naval aviation pioneer Takijirō Ōnishi, and together their first task would be to devise a means to retrieve Akagi’s air wing,[6] for without it the 1st Air Fleet couldn’t even train.

On the 3rd of February Isoroku Yamamoto was promoted to the rank of Admiral and given command of the Combined Fleet. He alone would bear the responsibility to see through his innovative gamble.


Vice Admiral Nagumo and Admiral Yamamoto

The same day a very unseasonable tropical depression was observed off Yap, as though it were an omen of things to come.


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[1] many of Japan’s big gun lobby privately despaired that the war had been lost.

[2] and as one of the pioneers of the IJN’s air arm he had some need to stand up for his child. This was probably part of why he changed his tune from the previous year, when, as a dissenting voice in Japan’s headlong rush to war, he earned many death threats.

[3] including Hiryu, expected to be ready in time for the decisive action.

[4] Turning Hong Kong into a forward base would also reduce the length of the journey to Borneo.

[5] militarist wing of the INJ.

[6] the pilot Minoru Genda seemed to be held in especially high esteem by Yamamoto.

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Sorry for the somewhat skimpy update, I’ve moved. Next time will cover... whatever Churchill is plotting.
 
Very interesting update it sets things up nicely for what is next
Sorry for the somewhat skimpy update, I’ve moved. Next time will cover... whatever Churchill is plotting.




This alone should scare people not just the Japanese but everyone. Churchill plotting is like seeing Thanos outside your door grinning and in the process of clicking his fingers.
 
Yay your back! No worries on the delay, real life and moving can definitely effort your creativity time.

Interesting things are being set up, and the post about the depression forebode weather that may hurt or assist the Japanese. Yamamoto may well be setting up a possible complicated attack plan that could come back to bite the Japanese in the butt.
 
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