Italy join allies in ww2

That seems a little unlikely. IOTL the large powers apparently never considered partitioning Yugoslavia, due I suspect to the fierce resistance that would have met as well as to objections to , well, "balkanizing" the Balkans. Do you think Italy would have brought enough to the table to convince the powers otherwise?

If Benny play well his card can get a free hand in Yugoslavia as payment for declaring war against Germany/come back to the Stresa Front...expecially if Belgrade is a little too much cozy with Berlin; both Churchill and Chamberlain plus whatever will be the French premier will think of this as the lesser evil.
 
As long as the fiercely (violently) nationalistic Tito is present, no one is dividing that territory up without a protracted war, which would be difficult to justify. Yes, you can imagine a set of circumstances where it happens, but it's a stretch.
 
As long as the fiercely (violently) nationalistic Tito is present, no one is dividing that territory up without a protracted war, which would be difficult to justify. Yes, you can imagine a set of circumstances where it happens, but it's a stretch.

As i said depends if Yugoslavia if allied a litte too much with Hitler (at the time they were a little cozy), second there is nothig to justify Benny will have is war and France and the UK will probably get along because they need him and Yugoslavia is totally expendable.
 
As i said depends if Yugoslavia if allied a litte too much with Hitler (at the time they were a little cozy), second there is nothig to justify Benny will have is war and France and the UK will probably get along because they need him and Yugoslavia is totally expendable.

Yes but they became "cozy" only after the fall of France when they realised they were getting surounded by hungry wolves (Italy, Hungary, Bulgaria) and tried to secure their position by going with Hitler rather than lonely UK. With Italy as part of the UK-French alliance Yugoslavia will stay its course.
 
Italy gets a big boost as Britain, fearing perhaps a German invasion over the Alps, works to make Italy a more potent military and industrial power. Not only does this mean more and better tanks during the war, but if Italy plays it right, keeping the Alps as a two-way barrier then they ought to be able to come through with their industry mostly unscathed, which will set them up well post-war.
 
But why would Italy do that.

Italys aim was "mare nostrum" i.e. the Med.

Germany does not have interest in the MEd, but UK and France were the primary antagonists of Italy.

Italy was allied with Germany since the Abyssinian "incindent" ;) aand more important engaged in Spain.

UK and France would be not friendly to Italy. They might reconsider when battling the greater enemy, but they would probably not offer Italy some expansuion of the new roman empire, so Italy would NOT be interested to join the allies. a certain degree of neutrality would be possible. But this in return would make germany stronger (No Balkans and North Africa + a "secure" southern front.
 
But why would Italy do that.

Italys aim was "mare nostrum" i.e. the Med.

Germany does not have interest in the MEd, but UK and France were the primary antagonists of Italy.

Italy was allied with Germany since the Abyssinian "incindent" ;) aand more important engaged in Spain.

UK and France would be not friendly to Italy. They might reconsider when battling the greater enemy, but they would probably not offer Italy some expansuion of the new roman empire, so Italy would NOT be interested to join the allies. a certain degree of neutrality would be possible. But this in return would make germany stronger (No Balkans and North Africa + a "secure" southern front.

Well before the Abyssina non-sense (we don't have enough of our misery so we want yours) UK and France courted Benny as a member of the Stresa Front and frankly his opinion of Hitler was initially very very low...but more important Mussolini (in the great tradition of Italian politics) was first and foremost an opportunist so if he convince himself that Germany loose (probably during the phoney war) he will do try an allliance with UK and France.
Regarding what they will give, well Yugoslavia, as i said, is totally expendable, maybe a base in Crete or UK support in a revision of the Greece/Albanian border plus some colonial expansion (Somaliland, strip of Azozu and some other minor border rettification), in all probability Mussolini don't really expect a long war just a gangbang over Germany.
 

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lets say during the early days of ww2 just as Germany invaded Poland, Mussolini believing Germany will be defeated in short while by the combined resources of the British and french empire joins the allies .so to get a place at the victory table. how do you think this will effect the larger war?

Its asb. Mussolini wont fight hitler, and most of all he wont fight allied with the french without a far earlier pod.
Mussolini supported germany Against france since immediatly after the occupati on of the ruhr, and always supported german revisionists, hitler most of all. The idea of Mussolini being sent in hitlers arms after Etiopia is wrong. Actually the crisis of 1934 Was just a brief break in relationships otherwise extremely cordial, in a process of alliance between two powers ideologically similar.
Mussolini always wanted a War Against the western powers, and never wanted a War against germany, Only risking it to protect the strategically important Austria. To fight germany in 1939 Was unacceptable after years of pro german and anti allied propaganda.
 
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