Italy, Germany and Belgium never colonize.

In OTL, Italy, Belgium, and Germany were very late in colonialism. What would Africa and the world for that matter be like if Italy, Belgium, and Germany never got the chance to colonize? What kind of butterflies might happen and would WW1 and WW2 still happen?
 
Well if they don't the british will anyway, Maybe better for germany, more money for germany, the army, navy in that order
 
without Italian-ottoman war for Libya the first and second Balkans wars are butterflied away and that also would probably butterfly away ww1.
 
I think its very unlikely Germany doesn't pick up any concessions in China, everyone else with any commercial interest there was doing so, except for the United States. The other parts of the German colonial empire probably go to the same colonial powers that picked them up as League of Nations Mandates. So nothing much changes.

I'm not sure how much the resources the British used against the German colonies in World War I could have been used in other theaters. It probably would have helped, but its hard to say how many days earlier the war would have ended if at all. But if World War I doesn't get butterflied, the French and British probably conquer Libya.

Belgian Congo gets divided between Britain and France, with the British probably taking Katanga and the French taking the rest. The situation is not as awful there, so there are butterflies here because lots of lives will have changed. We also don't get "Heart of Darkness". Roger Casement does not become an activist. One potential big butterfly is that the Germans may have been influenced in their decision to invade Belgium because they figured it was effectively a pariah state (and it should have been), maybe they reconfigure.

France probably gets Eritrea and Britain gets Italian Somalia, though Ethoipia might keep Eritrea. If World War I is not butterflied, Greece takes Rhodes afterwards and, unlike Smyrna and Thrace, keeps it.

If World War II happens on schedule, thee is a bigger change if Libya is not an Italian colony. No North African campaign, including no Torch. This will help Germany until 1943, since they have a couple more divisions and a lot of fuel, fighters, air transport, and trucks they can use in Russia. Italy may likely be neutral, since the Ethiopian invasion and the League of Nations condemnation hasn't happened. Look for the Americans and British to try to invade either France or Norway in 1943.
 
If World War II happens on schedule, thee is a bigger change if Libya is not an Italian colony. No North African campaign, including no Torch. This will help Germany until 1943, since they have a couple more divisions and a lot of fuel, fighters, air transport, and trucks they can use in Russia. Italy may likely be neutral, since the Ethiopian invasion and the League of Nations condemnation hasn't happened. Look for the Americans and British to try to invade either France or Norway in 1943
Dude butterflies...that is buterflies genocide
 
without Italian-ottoman war for Libya the first and second Balkans wars are butterflied away and that also would probably butterfly away ww1.

The Balkan wars would likely still happen, the local populations were PISSED, the empire was in decline, and they were just too incompatible with Turkish culture to continue to live under ottoman rule in an era of such strong nationalist sentiments.

The tension that caused WWI, as GeckoSerpent23 put it, will still be there, just Germany and Britain might not hate each other as much if they're not competing for colonies (basically, Bismarck's "water rat and land rat" peace plan more or less works out).

The Balkan countries would still nibble away at Turkish holdings in Europe, just possibly slower or using a different event (maybe wwi) as the distraction/opportunity. Definitely different alliances in WWI, which is always an interesting thing to see.
 
In OTL, Italy, Belgium, and Germany were very late in colonialism. What would Africa and the world for that matter be like if Italy, Belgium, and Germany never got the chance to colonize? What kind of butterflies might happen and would WW1 and WW2 still happen?

More resources for France and UK. Zanzibar that may survive. And more Africans to survive Colonial onslaught.
 
I think its very unlikely Germany doesn't pick up any concessions in China, everyone else with any commercial interest there was doing so, except for the United States. The other parts of the German colonial empire probably go to the same colonial powers that picked them up as League of Nations Mandates. So nothing much changes.

I'm not sure how much the resources the British used against the German colonies in World War I could have been used in other theaters. It probably would have helped, but its hard to say how many days earlier the war would have ended if at all. But if World War I doesn't get butterflied, the French and British probably conquer Libya.

Belgian Congo gets divided between Britain and France, with the British probably taking Katanga and the French taking the rest. The situation is not as awful there, so there are butterflies here because lots of lives will have changed. We also don't get "Heart of Darkness". Roger Casement does not become an activist. One potential big butterfly is that the Germans may have been influenced in their decision to invade Belgium because they figured it was effectively a pariah state (and it should have been), maybe they reconfigure.

France probably gets Eritrea and Britain gets Italian Somalia, though Ethoipia might keep Eritrea. If World War I is not butterflied, Greece takes Rhodes afterwards and, unlike Smyrna and Thrace, keeps it.

If World War II happens on schedule, thee is a bigger change if Libya is not an Italian colony. No North African campaign, including no Torch. This will help Germany until 1943, since they have a couple more divisions and a lot of fuel, fighters, air transport, and trucks they can use in Russia. Italy may likely be neutral, since the Ethiopian invasion and the League of Nations condemnation hasn't happened. Look for the Americans and British to try to invade either France or Norway in 1943.

The French Congo used exactly the same methods of rubber extraction and slave labour as the Belgian. It was just a smaller scale because it was a smaller territory. In fact one tribe crossed the border from the CFS into French Congo and found the brutality there so bad they moved back into the CFS.
 
I believe the tensions that led to WWI in OTL would still boil over and eventually lead to a large European land war, but it would take a different form. It might not reach the global scale OTL war did, since the lack of German colonies around the world would forestall the need for the UK to divert many of their resources, while taking away the prizes that Japan entered the war trying to gain.
 
Italy ends up better off than OTL, but worse off than a WW2-neutral Italy - Libyan oil would just be a pretty huge boon to Italian economy. Compared to OTL, still pretty nice.
 
And I wonder what might happen to those islands in the pacific that Japan wanted, since Germany never sets up a colonial empire in this timeline.
If I had to guess, they probably get snapped up by Europe's premier naval powers of Britain and France, while Russia and Japan jockey for possessions in China. The US could also try and poach some territories, if it can.
 
If I had to guess, they probably get snapped up by Europe's premier naval powers of Britain and France, while Russia and Japan jockey for possessions in China. The US could also try and poach some territories, if it can.
The islands the Japanese did end up getting were for the most part under the Spanish aegis for the previous four centuries, if only in theory. I imagine anyone can just offer a payment to get them in a fire sale.
 
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