There has been plenty of discussion of how life and society would be like in Nazi Germany if they had won World War 2, but how about the other two major Axis powers? For the sake of discussion, imagine the Philippines gained independence from the United States before World War 2 so Japan could expand south without antagonizing them. This means that the United States stays out of World War 2, and thus the Axis win the war. By the end of the war, the Soviet Union has fallen and Britain has been forced to withdraw but still maintains their independence and government, along with most of their colonies (except those taken by Japan and Italy). Japan conquers Indochina but fails to expand into Burma. They reach Indonesia but stop before they reach Australia. Italy secures more of Africa. How would these nations evolve now that they have won the war? How would life be like for the people in Japan and Italy but also their colonies? Could they even hold onto their empires? Japan still has to conquer the rest of China and Egypt isn't exactly small.

For Japan I have seen timelines where they have been forced to withdraw from China, where they install complete control over China, where the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere actually lives up to it's name and becomes less of a Japanese-centered empire and more of a mutually beneficial confederation and even some timelines where the entire Japanese Empire slowly becomes more Chinese controlled until they has basically become the de facto leader. There is even less concise information written about Italy.
 
If Japan still pulls a Pearl Harbor they might still get whacked by the US even if Ger(man)y survives. Any Japanese victory after 1944 likely sees it as a German-influenced nation and a second-rate Axis power. They will be innovative but not a leader, at least not for a decade.

Italy becomes a satellite and little more than that. Even with her dreams of Empire fulfilled there is little she will be able to do without German permission though life in her territories will be more lax and probably better than anything Germany controls outside the Grossdeutschreich itself.
 
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If Japan still pulls a Pearl Harbor they might still get whacked by the US even if Gernaby survives. Any Japanese victory after 1944 likely sees it as a German-influenced nation and a second-rate Axis power. They will be innovative but not a leader, at least not for a decade.

Italy becomes a satellite and little more than that. Even with her dreams of Empire fulfilled there is little she will be able to do without German permission though life in her territories will be more lax and probably better than anything Germany controls outside the Grossdeutschreich itself.
The Japanese never attack Pearl Harbor because the Philippines is independent. This means that America can't block Japan's access to the south, so the Japanese have no reason to attack the US.
 
it would be easier to envision post-war Axis if Germany-Japan defeated USSR jointly (Japan strikes North) while Italy seizes Malta and Yugoslavia?
sorting out their OTL territories defies (my) comprehension, and any kind of treaty settlement.

(with Italy losing East Africa, holding Libya)
 
it would be easier to envision post-war Axis if Germany-Japan defeated USSR jointly (Japan strikes North) while Italy seizes Malta and Yugoslavia?
sorting out their OTL territories defies (my) comprehension, and any kind of treaty settlement.

(with Italy losing East Africa, holding Libya)
Fine then. The real point of this thread is to discuss how life would be like in Japan and Italy after the war ended in an Axis victory. I personally don't think Japan's army was capable of challenging the USSR, even when they were fighting the Germans. Even when the Germans were 16 miles away from Moscow the Soviets maintained a permanent garrison on their East border, which Japan would never have been able to defeat while also fighting China. But regardless, I just want to get an idea of what changes these nations could expect and life under them. So, for your most plausible Axis victory scenario, what happens to Italy and Japan.
 
Apart from existing puppet states in Manchuria and Inner Mongolia, China proper seems like it would be nominally united but in practice administered by distinct puppet authorities submissive to the Japanese military-industrial complex. IOTL the Wang Jingwei regime only had control over the eastern area around Nanjing, while a separate group of Chinese collaborators ran things in the northern provinces. On paper they were the same country though. I imagine that in a Japanese victory scenario China proper would be split up among 6-8 main regional administrations where the Chinese leaders are being constantly controlled/fired/assassinated as necessary to prevent real unification.

Quality of life in these places would have depended heavily on your economic status: probably businessmen and people doing white collar urban work would be fairly well-off under the Japanese, while life for peasants and laborers would have been living hell as IOTL. This would give the communists even greater opportunities to spread their ideology, and given the inability of the Japanese to exert more than tenuous control over the countryside, the CCP would be able to establish and maintain large and numerous base areas. Without the support of the Soviet Union, though, protracted resistance would probably wear off the Marxist paint and the rebels would come to resemble any other peasant movement in Chinese history.

Japanese would replace Mandarin as the prestige language, but I can't imagine it gaining much currency beyond places where Chinese have to interact with Japanese people.
 
Firstly, the US might still get involved in WWII in Europe without Pearl Harbour.

It is doubtful that Italy, even with German help, could conquer much of the British Empire. in an Axis victory TL, Italy would be nothing more than a German puppet state.

And Japan was bogged down in China, it might be able to invade other parts of Asia, but once the inhabitants discover how brutal their new rulers are, the Japanese would be struggling like they did in China.

After there is peace, the US and the UK will supply rebels endlessly to boost their own productivity and be able to harm the Axis powers on the cheap. You would probably see Nazi Germany and Japan eventually collapse from economic mismanagement and trying to control large unruly populations and be involved in endless guerilla wars.
 
Firstly, the US might still get involved in WWII in Europe without Pearl Harbour.

It is doubtful that Italy, even with German help, could conquer much of the British Empire. in an Axis victory TL, Italy would be nothing more than a German puppet state.

And Japan was bogged down in China, it might be able to invade other parts of Asia, but once the inhabitants discover how brutal their new rulers are, the Japanese would be struggling like they did in China.

After there is peace, the US and the UK will supply rebels endlessly to boost their own productivity and be able to harm the Axis powers on the cheap. You would probably see Nazi Germany and Japan eventually collapse from economic mismanagement and trying to control large unruly populations and be involved in endless guerilla wars.
How much of the British Empire would Italy actually conquer? Is Egypt and Palestine feasible for them? The timeline I am working on involves a complete economic collapse for Britain in 1934 and a far more isolationist US, so no supplying rebels.
 
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