Italian Turkey

I am curious. Does anyone know what the area to be assigned to Italy after WWI was supposed to be? A Mandate? A protectorate? Something to be filled with Italians? What would the borders be? The Greeks seemed to be wanting to take a chunk of their part.
 
Not sure about exact plans but here's at least a map I've seen few times:

turkish_war_of_independence_anatolia_partitioning_1.jpg
 
I've seen many many maps, with many differences. Mostly with the Greeks gaining more. Anyways, do you have any idea what the Italians had been planning?
 
http://www.ww1-world-war-one.info/WW1-Diplomatic-Negotiations-Partition-Ottoman-Empire.htm

For the background.

The unratified Treaty of St. Jean de Maurienne laid out the Italian claims but the British and the french claimed the Treaty was invalid as the Russians hadn't consented and the Italians hadn't contributed to the war against the Ottomans.

The map above is reasonably accurate - if you have access to JSTOR then:

Italy and the Anglo-French Repudiation of the 1917 St. Jean de Maurienne Agreement
Paul C. Helmreich

The Journal of Modern History
Vol. 48, No. 2, On Demand Supplement (Jun., 1976), pp. 99-139
Article Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/1877819

Is a good source.

The Greek and Armenian claims are subsequent to the Treaty of St. Jean de Maurienne
 
A Mandate? A protectorate? Something to be filled with Italians?

No, no, no. It was supposed to be a sphere of influence - Italian economic control with a right to deploy Italian troops to protect Italian interests, but the administration would remain Turkish/Ottoman. Look at the Russian and British zones in Iran or the half a dozen zones in China before the war for comparisons.

The Greek part was supposed to be an actual annexation, though.
 
I have seen maps and writings about the matter showing both Italian annexations and their areas of influence. Would their have been any cities, ports, or islands in specific that they would have annexed?
 
ASB. Impossible short of genocide.

Not at all. Plenty of larger more populated areas were controlled by European powers. It doesn't that it would be nice.

Honestly, this board's view of Turkey has gotten to the point where the light of god would prevent an occupation because its apparently just that impossible

Im not saying it *should* have happened, but there's no reason that it couldn't happen there.
 

archaeogeek

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Not at all. Plenty of larger more populated areas were controlled by European powers. It doesn't that it would be nice.

Honestly, this board's view of Turkey has gotten to the point where the light of god would prevent an occupation because its apparently just that impossible

Im not saying it *should* have happened, but there's no reason that it couldn't happen there.

The country doing the occupation is Italy. Badoglio or Cadorna, take your pick ;)
 
Since Italy decided not to even try to occupy the area there must have been good reasons for Italy to abandon even the attempt at getting a new colony.
 

archaeogeek

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Well when you put it that way...

Admittedly there were also Diaz (who was in America at the time), Aosta (who did sort of win operations, and did succeed in his objectives during the sixth battle of Isonzo), and Caviglia was not a complete idiot, unlike much of his peers.
 
I like how non sequitur this post is.

Are you assuming the Italians wouldn't resort of deporting the local population just to achieve a colony? It's very difficult and it's hardly worth the attempt to make a colony. But please do enlighten me since you seem to harbor evidence that makes the idea of an Italian colony in Turkey semi-plausible. Right? I'm waiting.
 
It was more planned as an economic explotation zone (rich carbon basin)with a treaty-like port (Adalia) than to annex the place even if someone thinked about it.
There were tension on with the Greece who try to expand their zone so that prompt an italian response (more troops, more territory and some clash with the Greece)...and resulted in the map posted in the thread.
With the Biennio Rosso in Italy the goverment don't have any resource to spare for controlling the zone and battle the turk nationalist (hell we had problem with the Albanian) so all the plan for the zone were shelved
 
Are you assuming the Italians wouldn't resort of deporting the local population just to achieve a colony? It's very difficult and it's hardly worth the attempt to make a colony. But please do enlighten me since you seem to harbor evidence that makes the idea of an Italian colony in Turkey semi-plausible. Right? I'm waiting.
His question was whether they wanted a mandate, a protectorate or something like that.

You said they wanted ASB's.

Arnt we all glad the Italians wernt able to harness the power of Alien Space Bats?
 
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