Italian CP Victory Gains?

Jacking the idea from Earl of Somereset's other thread, with no shame what-so-ever.

Say Italy joins World War I on the side of the Central Powers, and the CP ends up winning through some combination of no unrestricted submarine warfare or whatever it is that usually causes the CP to win.

What gains does Italy get from being part of a victorious CP?

I imagine they would obviously get Savoy back, possibly Corsica. I imagine they might see limited colonial gains, probably mostly in the Horn of Africa, and maybe Tunisia. I imagine they might get some parts of Greece, as well.

Your opinions?
 
Europe: Savoy, Corsica, Malta, Albania, Cyprus.
Colonies: Tunisia, British and French Somaliland, free hands in Ethiopia (unless Ieasu V has joined the central powers), perhaps parts of southern Sudan.
 

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Europe: Savoy, Corsica, Malta, Albania, Cyprus.
Colonies: Tunisia, British and French Somaliland, free hands in Ethiopia (unless Ieasu V has joined the central powers), perhaps parts of southern Sudan.
I'd say that is a 'wish-list' not a 'get-list'.
You forgot Nice though
 
Albania i guess it will remain in Ottoman sphere. Maybe Ionian islands from Greece?

For the rest i agree with Von Adler except for Cyprus, guess it will return in OE.
 
I'd say that is a 'wish-list' not a 'get-list'.
You forgot Nice though

Well, since in OTL the aims of the CPs were rather blurry, I'd guess the same would go for Italy, too.
And (as always) it also depends on what kind of victory the Central Powers would achieve.

But Cyprus I'd say would rather be an aspiration for the Ottoman Empire, unless they think they would not be able to keep the island in some later conflict (even with a CP win the Royal Navy should still be more than what the ottomans could handle at seas) so maybe let the Italians have the trouble and focus on the Caucasus more.
 
From France: Nice, Savoy and Corsica plus Tunisia and Djibuti
From UK: British Somaliland, Outer Giuba and part of Kenya and push alot for Malta and some part of Egypt
From Greece: Ionian Island and some base in Crete
Albania: probably given back to OE with the dodecaneso Island but Valona and the Isle of Saseno retained with enough territory to defend them
 

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Probably not Albania, since Albania wasn't in the war, and with a German victory they'll have a German monarch anyway.

Cyprus is also unlikely since the Ottomans would disapprove, and Britain would probably not have to give anything up, since they'd still rule the seas after a CP victory. Tunisia, Savoie, Corsica and possibly French Somaliland is most plausible (and minor territorial consessions from Austria).
 
Probably NOTHING from Britain. Britain has her indestructible navy. Yes I called it, I called the Britwank Navy. Face facts here.

Italy will try for Nice and Savoy and will probably get it after Germany puts some pressure on France, but Corsica is a huge 'if'. We might see it made independent under Italian protection more than anything, only nominally part of the empire. I can agree that Tunisia goes to Italy, but Britain didn't want a single power controlling the sea lanes past Sicily - especially not a hostile power, and Britain is the dominant naval power, so we'll see what happens there. Easily Italy will get Djibouti and influence in Abyssinia, but Malta and Cyprus stay British.

Who knows, maybe Italy manages to grab northern Algeria and leaves the rest of the desert to France. Albania is also a mission, considering Austria is going to be the hegemon in the Balkans, and Italy and Austria, despite being on the same side, will still have quarrels.

Over all, Italy gets a bigger ego but in the end all they annex is more desert. And I don't mean this in an 'Italy is weak so can't' kind of way, I mean more as a 'all that's really available' kind of way.
 
Probably not Albania, since Albania wasn't in the war, and with a German victory they'll have a German monarch anyway.

The German King was ousted in 1913 IRC and in 1914 Italy basically occupied the country because Albania descended in total chaos
 
Probably NOTHING from Britain. Britain has her indestructible navy. Yes I called it, I called the Britwank Navy. Face facts here.

Italy will try for Nice and Savoy and will probably get it after Germany puts some pressure on France, but Corsica is a huge 'if'. We might see it made independent under Italian protection more than anything, only nominally part of the empire. I can agree that Tunisia goes to Italy, but Britain didn't want a single power controlling the sea lanes past Sicily - especially not a hostile power, and Britain is the dominant naval power, so we'll see what happens there. Easily Italy will get Djibouti and influence in Abyssinia, but Maltra and Cyprus stay British.

Who knows, maybe Italy manages to grab northern Algeria and leaves the rest of the desert to France. Albania is also a mission, considering Austria is going to be the hegemon in the Balkans, and Italy and Austria, despite being on the same side, will still have quarrels.

Over all, Italy gets a bigger ego but in the end all they annex is more desert.


Franky if Britain is on the loose side of WWI what she wants matter little. She probably obtain a white peace but a lot of pride must be discarded with the cession of some colonies and accepting a different geostrategic situation otherwise she can continue the war...alone.
 
I see a return of Nice, Savoy or Corsica unlikely, unless Regio Esercito has been able to gain them during the war.

However I think Tunisia and French Somaliland could have been easily assigned to Italy. Claims over Nice/Savoy/Corsica were pushed up during Fascism, before it at least the Nice/Savoy cession to France was seen as a necessary move to obtain Veneto, IIRC.

I agree with yourworstnightmare, the British would have probably not give anything up unless (again) lost in battle.

AH could have, by plebiscite, left Trento, and give an autonomy status to Trieste (as they proposed IOTL), but nothing more than this.
 
Probably NOTHING from Britain. Britain has her indestructible navy. Yes I called it, I called the Britwank Navy. Face facts here.

Italy will try for Nice and Savoy and will probably get it after Germany puts some pressure on France, but Corsica is a huge 'if'. We might see it made independent under Italian protection more than anything, only nominally part of the empire. I can agree that Tunisia goes to Italy, but Britain didn't want a single power controlling the sea lanes past Sicily - especially not a hostile power, and Britain is the dominant naval power, so we'll see what happens there. Easily Italy will get Djibouti and influence in Abyssinia, but Malta and Cyprus stay British.

Who knows, maybe Italy manages to grab northern Algeria and leaves the rest of the desert to France. Albania is also a mission, considering Austria is going to be the hegemon in the Balkans, and Italy and Austria, despite being on the same side, will still have quarrels.

Over all, Italy gets a bigger ego but in the end all they annex is more desert. And I don't mean this in an 'Italy is weak so can't' kind of way, I mean more as a 'all that's really available' kind of way.
What France and Britain want matters little. If they've lost the war then they will be at the mercy of the CP.
 
I see a return of Nice, Savoy or Corsica unlikely, unless Regio Esercito has been able to gain them during the war.

However I think Tunisia and French Somaliland could have been easily assigned to Italy. Claims over Nice/Savoy/Corsica were pushed up during Fascism, before it at least the Nice/Savoy cession to France was seen as a necessary move to obtain Veneto, IIRC.

I agree with yourworstnightmare, the British would have probably not give anything up unless (again) lost in battle.

AH could have, by plebiscite, left Trento, and give an autonomy status to Trieste (as they proposed IOTL), but nothing more than this.

In WWI it's not really necessary phisically conquer a land to obtain it, this was more a war of exhaustation and with Italy in the CP it's more probably that the Entente fold first.
France like Germany in OTL will take the brunt of the peace treaty and the UK thanks to his position and his navy will obtain a white peace probably but even in this case she will swallow his pride and accept a lot of thing.
If the war is more or less a replay of our WWI with only the Entente on the loosing side, the same hars terms, based on years of carnage, will be issued so the transfers of COrsica, Nice and Savoy and Tunisia will be basically certain-
Yes A-H will give very little to Italy probably Trento and some adjustament on the Venezia-Giulia (but with monetary compensation and a border very easy to defend) plus some concession on Albania (basically a condominuim or given back to OE except Valona)
BTW Hi Mario
 
In WWI it's not really necessary phisically conquer a land to obtain it, this was more a war of exhaustation and with Italy in the CP it's more probably that the Entente fold first.
France like Germany in OTL will take the brunt of the peace treaty and the UK thanks to his position and his navy will obtain a white peace probably but even in this case she will swallow his pride and accept a lot of thing.
If the war is more or less a replay of our WWI with only the Entente on the loosing side, the same hars terms, based on years of carnage, will be issued so the transfers of COrsica, Nice and Savoy and Tunisia will be basically certain-
Yes A-H will give very little to Italy probably Trento and some adjustament on the Venezia-Giulia (but with monetary compensation and a border very easy to defend) plus some concession on Albania (basically a condominuim or given back to OE except Valona)
BTW Hi Mario

Ciao Luke! Esami permettendo spero di riuscire a mettere presto online qualcosina sull'Italia in TLW:)

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I think a crucial point for the discussion topic is how this WWI has been fought and how it has been ended. I think it would be easier to speculate if we could know the dynamic of the war. I really don't know about British concessions, damn we could have a cold war in the '20 similar to the Anglo/American - Nazi oner by Calbear :D
 
Ciao Luke! Esami permettendo spero di riuscire a mettere presto online qualcosina sull'Italia in TLW:)

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I think a crucial point for the discussion topic is how this WWI has been fought and how it has been ended. I think it would be easier to speculate if we could know the dynamic of the war. I really don't know about British concessions, damn we could have a cold war in the '20 similar to the Anglo/American - Nazi oner by Calbear :D

In bocca al lupo per tutto:)

Yes i totally agree with you, a quick victory will make the concession limited but a prolonged onlslaught will probably create another Versailles unless all the parties were so exausted that they will agree to a settlement that nominally declare the CP victors but with very limited gain, probably only what is obtained on the terrain, but in this case i see all the fighters face national uprising.
 
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