Israel Founded early?

Hey, I was thinking about this after playing a game of HoI2. I was playing as Britian, and out of curiosity, checked to see what countries I could "liberate". Israel is one of them, and it got me to wonder (I know its a bad idea to base a question off of something from a video game, but...)

Is it at all possible that Israel could have been founded earlier than it was? Perhaps before, or even during World War II? I'm pretty certain that the the middle east won't be too happy (thats putting it lightly) but what could this possibly entail when it comes to Nazi Germany?

Would Hitler enact a personal vendetta against the UK and Israel? Could he decide to invest some (or potentially half) of the forces he was amassing to throw against the soviets instead into the african theater, so that the Nazi's could drive into Israel and "Cleanse the world of the parasites" as he would have put it.
 
Would Hitler enact a personal vendetta against the UK and Israel? Could he decide to invest some (or potentially half) of the forces he was amassing to throw against the soviets instead into the african theater, so that the Nazi's could drive into Israel and "Cleanse the world of the parasites" as he would have put it.

Actually, I am not that certain that Hitler would have an overriding desire to destroy the Jewish state if it existed when he was in power. In fact, he might be willing to do it a "favor" by expelling all the Jews in his territory into that state. Before Hitler and his coterie came up with the final solution they seriously considered a solution built around forced emigration. The existence of a Jewish state with the capacity and willingness to take on Europe's Jews could actually have been convenient to the Nazi State. They could threaten/coerce the early Israeli state into transporting/ransoming Germany and Poland's Jews to the Middle East.

At very least thousands of Jews fleeing Nazi Germany would have at least country on earth outside of South America willing to welcome them in the buildup to WWII.
 
Actually, I am not that certain that Hitler would have an overriding desire to destroy the Jewish state if it existed when he was in power. In fact, he might be willing to do it a "favor" by expelling all the Jews in his territory into that state. Before Hitler and his coterie came up with the final solution they seriously considered a solution built around forced emigration. The existence of a Jewish state with the capacity and willingness to take on Europe's Jews could actually have been convenient to the Nazi State. They could threaten/coerce the early Israeli state into transporting/ransoming Germany and Poland's Jews to the Middle East.

At very least thousands of Jews fleeing Nazi Germany would have at least country on earth outside of South America willing to welcome them in the buildup to WWII.

I hadn't thought of that. It was after WWII actually started that the Nazi's started working on the "final solution". In fact, your mentioning of forced emigration reminded me that some Nazi's had considered turning Madagascar into a Jewish colony.

It also reminded me that one of the reason's Adolf hated the Jews was that he considered them parasites, as they didn't have their own country.
 
I once read a scenario where Hitler actively promoted a Jewish State in Palestine, resulting in Israel being created sometime before World War II. It had come about through a vicious insurgency, so they had alienated the Allies, but were being supplied with German equipment and armaments. From there, the author goes with the idea of Hitler then advocating for the destruction of the Jewish state, pulling the plug shortly after Israel invades British and French Arabia.

Very very ASB. And I believe he got banned from that forum.


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Anyway, back on topic. Depends on where and when this Israel was established. There were plans for it to be established in British East Africa, Palestine, and Madagascar. There was an autonomous region set up in the Soviet Far East, along with a similar proposal in American Alaska.

Thankfully, however, regardless of location, the Holocaust is for the large part going to be avoided. With a Jewish state already established, the Nazis are simply going to strip them of anything of value and ship them to that state. Overall, however, it will not change anything unless it is in Palestine.

The reason why Palestine is key is because of the regional and strategic consequences of this action. The British have a new ally in the region that can possibly supplement forces in North Africa, while also preventing any feared Axis landings in the Middle East. At the same time, however, you have the great majority of the Arab World against you, and supportive of the Axis cause simply because it means Israel will be removed from Palestine. In the end, it could cause more problems for the Allies than it would solve, since Jewish soldiers would not be able to garrison any Arab town or cities, let alone rest in them. The Axis could sneak weapons in to Arab insurgents from Vichy Syria, though I am not sure how effective that would be.

The situation is complicated. The British may lose Egypt, Sudan, and Iraq simply because they are too over-extended to properly garrison them, and the populace will hate them because of the establishment of Israel.
 
My two cents : Make Gallipoli a much more successful campaign, making it unnecessary (and from the Allies' point of view, undesirable) for France and Britain to prop up the Arab Revolt or subsidize pan-Arab sentiment.

When the Ottomans finally surrender in 1918, have Mssrs Sykes and Picot meet again to determine the extent of the Jewish State, under the auspices of the League of Nations.

As Jewish immigration widens the gap between assimilated Jews and those attached to a distinct national identity in a distinct state, see anti-semitism in Europe erode slowly but surely, while emerges a convergence of interests between the newly reborn Israeli nation and the colonial Empires, as both feel the need to defend against resurgent pan-Arab nationalism.
 
A Jewish state wasn't even plausible without the population explosion of immigrants caused by the rise of Hitler in Germany. Consider the problems OTL and now try to imagine an Israel where the Jews are outnumbered by at least 5 to 1 just within the Green Line. Also getting the British to agree may prove difficult...
 
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