Israel becomes the entire Palestinian mandate

Part of it was to be set aside for that. Britain could try to claim "well you didn't explicitly specify how much of it and the new nation just has to respect non-Jewish civil rights", but I don't see it going down too well.

That's true, but that's also why they attempted partition in 1947, and (from what I understand) the "Jewish National Home" meant the creation of a Jewish state. In this case, if Israel does a lot better like in my previous post (#11), the UN may criticize Israel for not allowing them to administer the city of Jerusalem as an international zone but they would also be pushed to recognize Israel's borders as all of Mandate Palestine.

Plus, if Israel does control all of Mandate Palestine, you can rest assure that Ben-Gurion is going to make sure that the Arabs who remained inside Israel (I think it was around 156,000; though there may be more who remain) are going to be protected and not expelled.
 
That's true, but that's also why they attempted partition in 1947, and (from what I understand) the "Jewish National Home" meant the creation of a Jewish state. In this case, if Israel does a lot better like in my previous post (#11), the UN may criticize Israel for not allowing them to administer the city of Jerusalem as an international zone but they would also be pushed to recognize Israel's borders as all of Mandate Palestine.

Plus, if Israel does control all of Mandate Palestine, you can rest assure that Ben-Gurion is going to make sure that the Arabs who remained inside Israel (I think it was around 156,000; though there may be more who remain) are going to be protected and not expelled.
If the PoD is during the 1948 war, and Israel also takes Gaza and Judea/Samaria, it seems there would be a much larger number of Palestinians in Israel, unless the OTL Gaza and West Bank Palestinians now are in other countries.

Why would Ben-Gurion suddenly protect those few that he did not kill or expell? OTL he put them under ten years military rule.
 
If the PoD is during the 1948 war, and Israel also takes Gaza and Judea/Samaria, it seems there would be a much larger number of Palestinians in Israel, unless the OTL Gaza and West Bank Palestinians now are in other countries.

Why would Ben-Gurion suddenly protect those few that he did not kill or expell? OTL he put them under ten years military rule.

I would assume that there's a greater exodus of Palestinians, most likely from OTL West Bank, with a more successful Israel that's taken both Gaza and Judea/Samaria.

He did, that's true, but they wanted to remain in Israel. Ben-Gurion is probably going to want them to remain Israeli citizens, especially after lifting military rule. And it also wouldn't look good to expel Arabs within Israel who wanted to remain Israelis.
 
I would assume that there's a greater exodus of Palestinians, most likely from OTL West Bank, with a more successful Israel that's taken both Gaza and Judea/Samaria.

He did, that's true, but they wanted to remain in Israel. Ben-Gurion is probably going to want them to remain Israeli citizens, especially after lifting military rule. And it also wouldn't look good to expel Arabs within Israel who wanted to remain Israelis.

One of that era's slogans was "it doesn't matter what the gentiles say, it matters what the Jews do." Ben Gurion thought that Israel could not have more than 20% Arabs, and his decision not to let Arab war refugees return to their homes after the war ended was specifically on demographic grounds. He would have done ethnic cleansing within any more expansive boundaries to get the Arab population down to 20%.

As for military rule, that was notably not lifted when Ben Gurion was in power, but 3 years after he left office.
 
The Arabs were seen as colonial natives, and the Jews as European settlers, so acting in a way that supported the settlers was very much reasonable on the top level.

Except that that's very much not accurate. While it is incredibly, incredibly popular for people - especially but not only anti-Zionists - to frame Zionism in terms of standard European colonialism, it wasn't. The Jews didn't consider themselves to have common cause with the British, the British didn't consider themselves to have common cause with the Jews, and the British certainly didn't think of the Jews as some sort of colony, loyal or otherwise. In fact, it's very questionable whether the contemporary British would have considered Jews of any sort - let alone Russian Jews - to be European at all.

As everywhere else, the British spent most of the Mandate playing the all of the present groups off of each other. They restricted Jewish immigration when they thought the balance was being shifted, and then later employed Jewish auxiliaries to help them police when necessary. They arrested Jews and Arabs alike. They even played the left and right wings of the Zionists against each other, as well as, for example, supporting Bedouins against the pastoral Arabs.

As far as the British were concerned, the Jews were colonial natives as much as any one else. Maybe particularly civilized ones, but certainly not any kind of European settler.
 
The Jews didn't consider themselves to have common cause with the British, the British didn't consider themselves to have common cause with the Jews, and the British certainly didn't think of the Jews as some sort of colony, loyal or otherwise. In fact, it's very questionable whether the contemporary British would have considered Jews of any sort - let alone Russian Jews - to be European at all.

Actually... yes, they did. There were significant elements in Britain that viewed the Jews as superior whites, who would civilize the undeveloped Arab natives. Some of these elements thought of Zionism as a win-win: get Jews out of Europe, get them to civilize the Arabs; Churchill made comments in that direction in 1920 or so.

British attitudes toward Zionism indeed cooled significantly in the 1930s, but for 15 or 20 years, they were enthusiastic backers of the Zionist project.
 
One of that era's slogans was "it doesn't matter what the gentiles say, it matters what the Jews do." Ben Gurion thought that Israel could not have more than 20% Arabs, and his decision not to let Arab war refugees return to their homes after the war ended was specifically on demographic grounds. He would have done ethnic cleansing within any more expansive boundaries to get the Arab population down to 20%.

That's going to be a lot harder to do if Israel becomes the whole mandate and there's a lot more Arabs - more people to drive out and fight, and fighting earlier. OTOH, the only way a mandate-spanning Israel could work is if the Palestinian Arabs did 'go away' so he'd still want to give it a try. Could it actually be done?
 
One of that era's slogans was "it doesn't matter what the gentiles say, it matters what the Jews do." Ben Gurion thought that Israel could not have more than 20% Arabs, and his decision not to let Arab war refugees return to their homes after the war ended was specifically on demographic grounds. He would have done ethnic cleansing within any more expansive boundaries to get the Arab population down to 20%.

As for military rule, that was notably not lifted when Ben Gurion was in power, but 3 years after he left office.

Do you have any sources on that? I'm genuinely curious, this is the first I've heard that Ben-Gurion thought Israel could be no more than 20% Arab.

Actually... yes, they did. There were significant elements in Britain that viewed the Jews as superior whites, who would civilize the undeveloped Arab natives. Some of these elements thought of Zionism as a win-win: get Jews out of Europe, get them to civilize the Arabs; Churchill made comments in that direction in 1920 or so.

British attitudes toward Zionism indeed cooled significantly in the 1930s, but for 15 or 20 years, they were enthusiastic backers of the Zionist project.

There may have been elements in Britain that saw Jews as "superior whites", but Jews were still heavily discriminated against. Most of the Jews who arrived in the aliyah waves were Central or Eastern European, who were fleeing the Tsar, or they were Jews who already lived in Palestine before the Mandate formed.

Do you have a source for those comments?
 
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