Islamic Taiping Rebellion.

So, Hong Xiuquan gets a ''vision of the prophet'' instead.
How would the ensuing violent patterns diver?
Or ave I set of any impossibility alarms?
 
For this to happen Islam needs to be more evangelistic in China.
As revivalist protestantism was very evangelistic in China around Hong Xiquan's time.
 
Actually, there were a few Muslim rebellions that coincided with the Taiping rebellion, and if I recall correctly, one of those rebellions even led to a short-lived Chinese Muslim state in Yunnan.

However, those Muslims were Hui, who had been Muslim for generations - not recent converts.

As Zajir pointed out; in order to get an Islamic equivalent of the Taiping rebellion, Islam would need to be far more evangelistic in China.
 
For this to happen Islam needs to be more evangelistic in China.
As revivalist protestantism was very evangelistic in China around Hong Xiquan's time.

Maybe a earlier POD coursing a Islamic evangelical out-lash against a perceived spreading of ''Cristian obscurantism*''?

*Or any other negative word you could put behind it that would invoke a combination of pity and annoyance.
 
Nine out of ten says it has no long scale effects because:

1) The Western nations won't be inclined to help and Islamic rebellion in China, no matter how much it helps their colonial goals.

2) It's still the Taiping Rebellion, which failed in OTL, and without any other changes will fail here.

Nonetheless, it's an original take on an event to be sure...
 
Hong might ally with the Dungan revolters, which would make them more successful. Zhang Lexing would be even less successful, because the Nien would have hostile people to the north (Qing) and south (Taiping Muslims).

the rebellion would still fail with a POD this late though... it would probably end sooner, with a bigger backlash against the Hui as a result.
 
The Hui had suffered much oppression under the Qing which, along with the underlying conditions that led to the Taiping Rebellion being so widespread, caused them to revolt. If the Taiping Rebellion is led by a Muslim, even a pseudo-Muslim, then the Hui are likely to join in, which could easily lead to the fall of the Qing dynasty, although, those most likely to benefit from this are the European colonial powers.
 
The Hui had suffered much oppression under the Qing which, along with the underlying conditions that led to the Taiping Rebellion being so widespread, caused them to revolt. If the Taiping Rebellion is led by a Muslim, even a pseudo-Muslim, then the Hui are likely to join in, which could easily lead to the fall of the Qing dynasty, although, those most likely to benefit from this are the European colonial powers.
the Hui rebelled in OTL as well, and that didn't make a difference. furthermore, ITTL the Europeans (UK, France, Dutch maybe) will provide even more aid to the Qing, because they would rather prop them up than see the rise of a Muslim dynasty, so I can't see the Qing being overthrown.
 
the Hui rebelled in OTL as well, and that didn't make a difference. furthermore, ITTL the Europeans (UK, France, Dutch maybe) will provide even more aid to the Qing, because they would rather prop them up than see the rise of a Muslim dynasty, so I can't see the Qing being overthrown.

Indeed they did, however, there was no coordination between the Hui and the Taiping. If Hong Xiuquan thinks of himself as a Muslim, then he would likely attempt to raise the Hui in rebellion as well, thus securing Gansu, Xinjiang and Shaanxi for the Taiping.
 
same here - {in} India {it} wasn't a concern, after all.
IIRC Hong was incredibly anti-western and anti-foreign influence (and anti-Confucian as well), so the western powers knew that if Hong would win, they would have a stronger china that would be anti-Christian and also much less receptive to British monopolies on the opium and other trades. Hong would eliminate the Opium trade entirely, costing the British a fortune. they would do anything to keep the money flowing.
Indeed they did, however, there was no coordination between the Hui and the Taiping. If Hong Xiuquan thinks of himself as a Muslim, then he would likely attempt to raise the Hui in rebellion as well, thus securing Gansu, Xinjiang and Shaanxi for the Taiping.
those provinces were not 100% Hui though, I don't think. Hong would have more than enough on his plate battling Qing, the Nien, and the warlords in the Heavenly Kingdom who would disagree with him, so the rebellion would not get as much support.
 
Those provinces were not 100% Hui though, I don't think. Hong would have more than enough on his plate battling Qing, the Nien, and the warlords in the Heavenly Kingdom who would disagree with him, so the rebellion would not get as much support.

They were not completely Hui, no. Except for Xinjiang, they weren't even majority Hui. However, they were a significant presence and OTL they began their rebellion when the Taiping were nearing their end, and in fact the rebellion was defeated by the same general who ended the Taiping, Zuo Zongtang. The causes of their rebellion existed when the Taiping Rebellion began and if rallied to the cause of Hong Xiuquan, then I feel that it is more than likely that the Qing will not be able to withstand them. As far as the Nian, there is some possibility that they would unite with the Taiping as well.
 
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