Islamic Revolution Spreads Faster

The recent uprisings in Egypt could arguably be called a delayed reaction to the Islamic Revolution that occured in Iran. This leads me to this thought: What if the Islamic Revolution spread quicker across the middle east? What other nation in the middle east could possibly fall to an Islamic Revolution like what happened in Iran in 1979?
 
other than they have nothing to do with each other.....


any ways Iranians aren't Arab and are Shi'a most of the rest of the Muslim world are Sunni
 
other than they have nothing to do with each other.....


any ways Iranians aren't Arab and are Shi'a most of the rest of the Muslim world are Sunni

Well, both are being done by students. There are Islamic Fundamentalists who are using these students as pawns for revolution to overthrow a (for the most part) secular government and replace it with a theocracy. They don't like the Western influences in their country. It looks pretty damn similar.
 
A huge issue with this is that the Islamic Republic in Iran has, however arguably, a precedent. The veliyat-i fatiqah that the ayatollahs rule through is technically existent because the 12th Imam of the Shi'a, the Mahdi, is not on Earth to guide the faithful.

As black angel stated, most Muslims are Sunni, and since, under Sunni ideals, the khalifa doesn't need to be of Ali's bloodline, it could be anyone. The idea of an Islamic republic doesn't make since, but a restored "caliphate" could be interesting.

However, it could be possible to see these things pop up (however unlikely) in Iraq, Bahrain, or Azerbaijan, all countries with high Shi'a populations that have a precedent in the post-Revolution years for movement towards such a state.
 

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Well, both are being done by students.

So were the Hungarians fighting Russian tanks in ’56.

As B.A. said, these uprisings are not a delayed reaction to the Iranian Revolution; most of the people taking part weren’t even born in ’79.

This thread should be in Chat.
 
A huge issue with this is that the Islamic Republic in Iran has, however arguably, a precedent. The veliyat-i fatiqah that the ayatollahs rule through is technically existent because the 12th Imam of the Shi'a, the Mahdi, is not on Earth to guide the faithful.

As black angel stated, most Muslims are Sunni, and since, under Sunni ideals, the khalifa doesn't need to be of Ali's bloodline, it could be anyone. The idea of an Islamic republic doesn't make since, but a restored "caliphate" could be interesting.

However, it could be possible to see these things pop up (however unlikely) in Iraq, Bahrain, or Azerbaijan, all countries with high Shi'a populations that have a precedent in the post-Revolution years for movement towards such a state.

Don't both Sunni and Shi'a seek the creation of an Islamic state encompassing all muslim countries? They might want it to be their type of islam, but that doesn't eliminate the goal. The difference between the two of them is the difference between Fascism and Communism, they are far more similar then they are different.
 
Don't both Sunni and Shi'a seek the creation of an Islamic state encompassing all muslim countries? They might want it to be their type of islam, but that doesn't eliminate the goal. The difference between the two of them is the difference between Fascism and Communism, they are far more similar then they are different.

Ideally, yes, what you're saying is true.

However, the Shi'a denomination were formed in opposition to the idea that the successor of Muhammad (saws) would not be following the lineage of Ali, who was related to the Prophet and thus is a family that is, I guess the phrase "closer to God" is the only one I can come up with.

Sunnis, on the other hand, don't care about the bloodline.

The issue is that, if an Islamic state is declared, and it's in a majority Shi'a region, then those people will want either the Mahdi himself or the ayatollahs (NOTE: For anyone more familiar with Islam than I, is Aga Khan IV considered the head of the Ismail'i branch?) running it. And, as such, since Sunnis don't have ayatollahs, they wouldn't recognize the leaders qualifications.

Basically, have a POD so national identity didn't become cemented with the Sunni/Shi'a divide, and the Arab nations can unify with the Aryan nations. Otherwise, you're out of luck in regarding to a trans-national Islamic Caliphate.
 

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Well, both are being done by students. There are Islamic Fundamentalists who are using these students as pawns for revolution to overthrow a (for the most part) secular government and replace it with a theocracy. They don't like the Western influences in their country. It looks pretty damn similar.
No they are not, quit assuming this just because they both involve Muslims.
 

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Don't both Sunni and Shi'a seek the creation of an Islamic state encompassing all muslim countries? They might want it to be their type of islam, but that doesn't eliminate the goal. The difference between the two of them is the difference between Fascism and Communism, they are far more similar then they are different.
No, they don't, not all Muslims are Islamists.
 

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This leads me to this thought: What if the Islamic Revolution spread quicker across the middle east? What other nation in the middle east could possibly fall to an Islamic Revolution like what happened in Iran in 1979?
There was a huge attempt by Arab Islamists to spread that type of revolution around for the whole of the 1970s, but they failed horribly against the secret police apparatus of the secular nationalists.
 
The recent uprisings in Egypt could arguably be called a delayed reaction to the Islamic Revolution that occured in Iran. This leads me to this thought: What if the Islamic Revolution spread quicker across the middle east? What other nation in the middle east could possibly fall to an Islamic Revolution like what happened in Iran in 1979?

Sunni verse Shia and Arab verse Persian differences aside the best potential Arab nations for Islamic revolution Sunni style were probably Algeria and Egypt. The Algerian Islamic groups especially and the old school Islamic Brotherhood in Egypt seem to have been the only Islamic groups capable of truly toppling an entrenched regime.

If Islamic revolution spreads, the US may opt not to army the Afgan resistance to avoid creating another anti western Islamic state. Maybe, Egypt goes Islamic, but with out U.S. weapons, the Soviets eventually grind down the Afghan resistance and win the war.
 
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No, they don't, not all Muslims are Islamists.

Err... while I readily concede wikipedia is far from perfect it matches my own recollection, which is:

A Muslim (Arabic: مسلم‎; /ˈmʊslɨm/ MOOS-lim or English pronunciation: /ˈmʌzlɨm/ MUZ-lim) or Moslem[1] is an adherent of the religion of Islam.

So all Muslims are by definition Islamists.

Now if you meant to say not all Muslims are Islamic Fanatics, then you have a point.

However, aside from geographical proximity and some religious overtones I don't see any connection between the Iranian and Egyptian situations.
 
Err... while I readily concede wikipedia is far from perfect it matches my own recollection, which is:



So all Muslims are by definition Islamists.

Now if you meant to say not all Muslims are Islamic Fanatics, then you have a point.

However, aside from geographical proximity and some religious overtones I don't see any connection between the Iranian and Egyptian situations.

"Islamist" is a term for people who advocate political Islam, i.e. religiously-based governance.

So, no, not all Muslims are Islamists.
 
Nooooooo. Besides the protesters of the current "Youth Revolt" are not all or majority Islamists.
 
I am still inclined to believe that the size-able majority of the Egyptian people are progressive will not tolerate an Islamic revolution to occur in their country.
 

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The recent uprisings in Egypt could arguably be called a delayed reaction to the Islamic Revolution that occured in Iran. This leads me to this thought: What if the Islamic Revolution spread quicker across the middle east? What other nation in the middle east could possibly fall to an Islamic Revolution like what happened in Iran in 1979?
The recent uprising in Egypt has nothing to do with Iran. First of all it's not that likely the Islamists will take over, since they have chosen to stand in the backgrounds during the revolt. They will no doubt gain much influence, but not be strong enough to seize the whole State apparatus, but rather work together with secular groups.

Second, a Islamist Egypt would be a nightmare for Iran, since they suddenly have a strong rival challenging their leadership over the Islamist movements and is both Sunni and Arab, which means the Egyptians probably quickly could compete out Iranian influence in the Arab world.
 
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