Islamic extremism with no ww1 and surviving empires?

How would Islamic extremism develop in this world? Could it become a issue earlier within the west? How would it develop internationally?

If the Ottomans survive, "Islamic Extremism" is reduced to regional problems like in the Eastern Caucasus or India. As an example. No international Salafist movement as the Saudi state will likely not exist.
 
If any extreme islam exist it would be snti ottoman in the sense their shit caliphs so they must be ovethrown, and vague arab nationalism as bad turks.
 
Would salafism have any weight outside Nejd?
It will be linked with dislike of the empire and more importantly hatred of the turks control of the religion, remember alot of arabs hated the fact the turks controlled islam and wanted to retake the caliphate for the arabs and that the sharif of mecca not a saudi. Depending on the wider islamic world view of the ottomans this may the argument.
 
It will be linked with dislike of the empire and more importantly hatred of the turks control of the religion, remember alot of arabs hated the fact the turks controlled islam and wanted to retake the caliphate for the arabs and that the sharif of mecca not a saudi. Depending on the wider islamic world view of the ottomans this may the argument.
What if the Ottoman Empire falls apart or are partitioned? How much does that change it?
 
You get otl, theres no muslim power that can claim the caliphate. Salafism and wahhabist ideology.
But how does that dynamic change with the imperial powers and culture still strong without the world wars? Would the west be a lot less tolerant and much more brutal? If most Arab and Muslim nations are under European rule or influence would Arab nationalism be weakened similar to otl and replaced with Islamic extremism? Would they even allow Muslims to immigrate into Europe in large numbers? Would places like Libya and Algeria become like the West Bank?
 
i've pointed this out a few times before, but Islamic extremism as we know it is ultimately Japanese in origin thanks to the Japanese Red Army being active in the Near East during the Cold War and, particularly, they introduced the concept of suicide bombing to them. taking the butterfly effect into account, i doubt those exact circumstances would arise in a world without World War I and decolonization. it's not much, but there ya go.
 
i've pointed this out a few times before, but Islamic extremism as we know it is ultimately Japanese in origin thanks to the Japanese Red Army being active in the Near East during the Cold War and, particularly, they introduced the concept of suicide bombing to them. taking the butterfly effect into account, i doubt those exact circumstances would arise in a world without World War I and decolonization. it's not much, but there ya go.
That doesn’t eliminate Islamic extremism. That just means they might not do suicide bombing attacks. They would still commit attacks of violence and terrorism by different means. Wahhabism has existed since the 1700s which is easily a ideology that can breed extremism groups
 
What if the Ottoman Empire falls apart or are partitioned? How much does that change it?

If the Ottomans fall the Saudi keep Al Haasa. The Oil Rich region of today that is Saudi Arabia's most important territory. Which means enough money to spread their beliefs so pretty much as OTL.

The Europeans might tolerate it regardless as it helps with divide and rule tactics.
 
That doesn’t eliminate Islamic extremism. That just means they might not do suicide bombing attacks. They would still commit attacks of violence and terrorism by different means. Wahhabism has existed since the 1700s which is easily a ideology that can breed extremism groups
i'm not saying it would, i'm saying it probably wouldn't resemble OTL's, at least in method
 
If the Ottomans fall the Saudi keep Al Haasa. The Oil Rich region of today that is Saudi Arabia's most important territory. Which means enough money to spread their beliefs so pretty much as OTL.

The Europeans might tolerate it regardless as it helps with divide and rule tactics.
If Saudi keep funding Muslim extremist in European colonies would one or more of the major powers actually invade them especially if they hold Mecca and the holy cities? Or would it be like how the US treats them in OTL? Would imperial powers put up with Saudi funding Islamic extremist and terrorist even within their own colonies due to their oil wealth and the backlash that invading Islamic holy land could cause? Or would they break down on them hard?
 
So more IRA like but with more civilian targets?
possibly. butterflies and all that obviously make it difficult to determine exactly what it could be, but the point is more that Islamic extremism ITTL probably wouldn't be characterized by suicide bombings--i'd buy it if it mostly amounted to sudden ambushes of civilians and hostage taking to demand the end of an occupation or something, or attacking a caravan, etc., that's transporting a major leader of their opposition
 
It already did exist,since about the 18th century, it just wasn't as widespread or popular.
well it certainly wouldn't have been bankrolled by a massive rich oil country and then spread throughout the world with the use of religious schools
 
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