The Byzantine Empire called itself the Roman Empire, they were Romans in their own eyes, and although they spoke Greek, this was done in the eastern parts of the empire long before the split. It was actually rather the opposite of what you describe; the HRE called itself the Roman Empire to exert influence in the west, and the term 'Byzantine Empire' was only coined by historians in the 1500s as a way to make them seem less worthy of the Roman heritage.
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The Byzantine Empire called itself the Roman Empire, they were Romans in their own eyes, and although they spoke Greek, this was done in the eastern parts of the empire long before the split. It was actually rather the opposite of what you describe; the HRE called itself the Roman Empire to exert influence in the west, and the term 'Byzantine Empire' was only coined by historians in the 1500s as a way to make them seem less worthy of the Roman heritage.
I agree... ERE was the continuation of the old Roman Empire... Roman Laws and Roman institutions continued unbroken (after 10th century they became purely ceremonial but still existed) along with the Emperors line starting with Augustus...
If HRE was indeed a "Roman Empire" then Charlemagne wouldnt have to practically beg Emperor Nicephorus I to recognise his Imperial title... HRE's Imperial title was recognised as such by Michael I and was ratified by Leo V as it is written in the "Pax Nicephori" but there were never aknowledged as Western Roman Emperors or colleagues of the Eastern Roman Emperor... They were merely recognised as Emperors of the Germans/Franks...
Readers might be interested to read a short story I'm developing over on the Children of Johan thread, detailing a trip to Constantinople by a young man in the spring of 1356, and his subsequent troubles as he's caught up in the political turbulence of the summer that follows...
See it here, beginning in post number 458.
See it here, beginning in post number 458.
I DID IT!
I have finally finished reading this behemoth of a TL! Now I have to read CoJ great(Nah it will be fun). Any way I want to give a round of applouse to all of you who work on this Magnus Opus. Basileus Giorgios I bow before your herculean efforts at this great story, bravo bravo! May the sun never set on the ROMAN/BYZANTINE EMPIRE!
I have finally finished reading this behemoth of a TL
! Now I have to read CoJ great(Nah it will be fun). Any way I want to give a round of applouse to all of you who work on this Magnus Opus. Basileus Giorgios I bow before your herculean efforts at this great story, bravo bravo! May the sun never set on the ROMAN/BYZANTINE EMPIRE!I have finally finished reading this behemoth of a TL
Welcome to AH. Good choice of timelines to start with.
I have finally finished reading this behemoth of a TL
Welcome to the forum, and thank you very much for your kind words.
I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the various tales to be found in the CoJ thread!Welcome Dux Italicus (glad you chose a modest title even if your territory is an entire quarter of the Interior Empire - sniff...)
As do I; and I will be most insulted if, after reading CoJ, you don't post any remarks at all... Get reading!
As do I; and I will be most insulted if, after reading CoJ, you don't post any remarks at all... Get reading!
Welcome!
Indeed.As do I; and I will be most insulted if, after reading CoJ, you don't post any remarks at all... Get reading!
About my title
Megas, i chose it becuase im half italian and proud of it. Specifically decended from the true republic of italy Genoa (All the cool italians are from there like the genosian emperors)! Anyways yeah I'll read your great stories, loved the ones with our favorite hungarian. Also BG like everyone else my favorite part(not including the genoan emperor, of course) would have to be the Pope-Emperor's grisly death, made me laugh.
Megas, i chose it becuase im half italian and proud of it. Specifically decended from the true republic of italy Genoa (All the cool italians are from there like the genosian emperors
)! Anyways yeah I'll read your great stories, loved the ones with our favorite hungarian. Also BG like everyone else my favorite part(not including the genoan emperor, of course) would have to be the Pope-Emperor's grisly death, made me laugh.Megas, i chose it becuase im half italian and proud of it. Specifically decended from the true republic of italy Genoa (All the cool italians are from there like the genosian emperors
at the underlined part. I mean, I think Samuel had it coming to him, but finding that funny...That's scary.
Inspired by 037771's effort on his superb All Along The Watchtower TL, I've created a "Wordle" for IE. Check it out.
Welcome to AH.com, GodEmperorGI have finally finished reading this behemoth of a TL
Hey ELfwine what I meant was that he didn't see it coming. what made me laugh in particuler was the image of a teenager punching the pope in the stomach, I found the choping up parts pretty creepy (borderline overkill). Also thanks again to the warm welcome guys.
.New readers are always welcome! As long as they comment on my Opará works...Hey ELfwine what I meant was that he didn't see it coming. what made me laugh in particuler was the image of a teenager punching the pope in the stomach, I found the choping up parts pretty creepy (borderline overkill). Also thanks again to the warm welcome guys
Sure BC I will read about opara, by the way how's your EU3 game going? I play it to and would love to see want an OPM like that can do. You better hope the BBB (Frace) dosn't want to eat you for breakfast let alone anyone of your neighbors.
. You better hope the BBB (Frace) dosn't want to eat you for breakfast let alone anyone of your neighbors.It's going quite good! I've colonised Brazil and Quebec (don't ask whySure BC I will read about opara, by the way how's your EU3 game going? I play it to and would love to see want an OPM like that can do
). With the manpower from these provinces I managed to grab three provinces from Portugal and Castille annexed them. Then, I got VERY lucky and inherited Castille. Now, I'm HRE, struggling to pass the first reform, with four electors vassalised and I fight a lot of interventionist wars in Austria, Burgundy and Turkey. It's fun Wow you inhirited castile!? Then became HRE! Damm those germans must be cowering in thier palaces at the mere thought of fighting the mighty Oparan Empire . Bravo, let the Oparan flag fly over the whole world march on BC, march on.
. Bravo, let the Oparan flag fly over the whole world march on BC, march on.About the HRE Reforms
Oh yeah by the way the reforms are always hard to pass but once you establish vassalage over the elector you have got all the time in the world (or 1821) just make friends with whoever keeps saying no to the reform and you'll do fine.
Oh yeah by the way the reforms are always hard to pass but once you establish vassalage over the elector you have got all the time in the world (or 1821
) just make friends with whoever keeps saying no to the reform and you'll do fine.