Isaac's Empire 2.0

Haemic derives from a Greek word- they called the Balkan Mts. the Haimos Mons. Wikpedia has an article here. "Balkans" is certainly anachronistic, anyhow.

Glad you enjoyed the update, though I think it says something worrying about me as a writer when a three week gap between updates is seen by my readers as being a sign of frequent updating! Never mind. :p

Other thoughts?

Due to the updates taking a while, I may have to read it from the start (again) to re-fresh my memory, due to me forgetting names such as Korbuga and John II (I remember him from the last update, that is it). But I do love the updates when they come, don't get me wrong.

Otherwise, updates on the Ukraine and Russia tying in to Byzantium? I would like to see more of the world in this TL.
 
Due to the updates taking a while, I may have to read it from the start (again) to re-fresh my memory, due to me forgetting names such as Korbuga and John II (I remember him from the last update, that is it). But I do love the updates when they come, don't get me wrong.

Otherwise, updates on the Ukraine and Russia tying in to Byzantium? I would like to see more of the world in this TL.

A detailed plan for developments in the wider world (well, Europe and the House of Islam) has been drawn up for the thirteenth century. A shock from the East will emerge after 1220, but it won't be Mongol. It'll prompt restructuring on a massive scale in all areas it hits, and two states will be particularly scarred by the impact of invasion and occupation.

To (very) briefly summarise the world known to Constantinople in the 1180s:

- Hungary and Bulgaria are uprising against the Empire, and a spirit of revolt is emerging in the cowed city states of Italy, too. None of these is strong enough to rebel alone though, yet.
- The Anglo-Norman and French kingdoms are embroiled in a particularly bitter war over which will eventually come to dominate Francia. At this stage, the "French" are winning, but the tide could easily turn. The two dynasties are French speaking and intermarried, so it's much more of a civil war between two rival Francian dynasties.
- Moorish influence in Spain is growing, and the Christians are back on the defensive.
- Germany remains relatively decentralised.
- The Rus, too, show no signs of uniting into any form of singular principality. Currently, Kiev is dominant, thanks to close trade links with the Empire and through there, the Islamic world.
- The Seljuks rule Iraq and Greater Iran too, and are putting down serious roots here. Western Europeans are coming to refer to Mesopotamia as "Turchia", though the Islamic world from Egypt to Afghanistan is really a Turkish one now.
 
So does this mean we don't get to see a unified Russian state if the Rus' principalities don't get their act together? Moreover, would the Mongol conquests be butterflied altogether?
 

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- The Seljuks rule Iraq and Greater Iran too, and are putting down serious roots here. Western Europeans are coming to refer to Mesopotamia as "Turchia", though the Islamic world from Egypt to Afghanistan is really a Turkish one now.

Just to confirm, the Turks are assimilating the Arabs in those regions? :eek:
 
I'm not sure if Persia would be a good Middle Eastern analogue to China. (both Persia and China have been invaded by nomadic armies who then settle in those lands and assimilate into the culture of their subjects) Though wouldn't the Turks also be assimilated into Arab culture if they settled in the Arab lands?
 
I'm not sure if Persia would be a good Middle Eastern analogue to China. (both Persia and China have been invaded by nomadic armies who then settle in those lands and assimilate into the culture of their subjects) Though wouldn't the Turks also be assimilated into Arab culture if they settled in the Arab lands?

Given that Persia has been as long lived as China by the same methods, why not?
 
So does this mean we don't get to see a unified Russian state if the Rus' principalities don't get their act together? Moreover, would the Mongol conquests be butterflied altogether?

As I say, there won't be any conquests by Mongols to start with this time round.

Just to confirm, the Turks are assimilating the Arabs in those regions? :eek:

They're not, but Turkish is starting to become the language of the Seljuk elite, which is here hanging on to its native tongue across the Empire to better govern a multi-linguistic population. They're certainly picking up Arabic and Iranian habits and phrases, though. It's just that the region is definitively acknowledged as being one ruled by Turks.

If they are in Persia, wouldn't the Persians assimilate them instead of other way round?

See above.
 
Great update as usual and now lets see what big of a mess Eirene is going to cause. After all since IE historians consider her reign disastorous I take it things must get prerty bad for the Empire.
 
Here's a WIP world map for the IE-verse at the death of John II Komnenos. Remember, this is just a brief snapshot, and doesn't show things like ongoing wars, etc. Hopefully you enjoy it, and the full map will be along shortly! :)

IE 1180 world.PNG
 
Bueno! When I find the time to digest your mountainous volumes of text, I am rewarded with an entertaining and interesting read. Props! I hope we can see Eirene's reign be... Satisfactory. I'd hate to see the hard work put in place John ruined by some silly woman :p .

Nice map by the way.
 
The World in 1180
Bueno! When I find the time to digest your mountainous volumes of text, I am rewarded with an entertaining and interesting read. Props! I hope we can see Eirene's reign be... Satisfactory. I'd hate to see the hard work put in place John ruined by some silly woman :p .

Nice map by the way.

Thanks!

Here's the completed edition. Quiz away, folks! :)

IE 1180 world.PNG
 
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Although I can gather the vague gist of what the map is showing any hope of a Key to help sort things out?
 
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Just started getting into this. Was about a 3rd of the way through the old version. Really good so far, but I'll refrain from comment until I'm more caught up. Don't want to derail any discussion about things that have most likely been thoroughly gone over already.:)
 
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