As the title says. Assuming you've played the Heart of Iron IV mod Kaiserreich or at least know of it, do you think it is a realistic alt history? Britain and France fall to a socialist/communist type government, etc? Thanks guys.
Is the Kaiserreich mod realistic?
- Thread starter Gentleman Johnny
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Wow, thanks that's helpful. Give a helpful response or don't bother.
Not really. France's wartime government was socialist, so I think it goes without saying who would get blamed (and therefore be too unpopular to take over) if they lost. Austria just exploding for no reason is also needlessly contrived, as is pretty much every other balkanization that occurs in the lore/game.
Redcoat
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Well I mean if Franz Ferdinand stays alive and the Ausgleich isn't renewed....I actually posted a WI for that today
He's right it's not. The universe is designed to be as interesting as possible for game-play purposes. The war lasting till 21, Communist Britain and France, Republican Russia, German China, Italy blakanizing etc. It's largely powered by hand-wavium and ignores a lot of existing historical factors. That being said, it's awesome fun and makes your average game of HOI waaay more interesting (I'm looking at you South America...).
A British revolution is unlikely even with defeat in the great war, armies too big, unions are too small, social institutions are too entrenched. That said, an enhanced British socialist movement and a much more vengeful conservative movement is plausible, nay-unavoidable. So a Britain that spends a few cycles oscillating between 'international' and violently anti-europe governments is quite likely.
Just the idea of revert Italy to the pre-unitary state it's so absurd to be ridicolous, not considering that launching an invasion trough Trento worked only once because everyone though that nobody was so idiot (the terrain will transform logistic in a nightmare) and WWII cleary show how easy and without problem it's to advance in center Italy, plus if you want attack South France towards Italy and go through the Alps...well it's your decision but there are much better method to kill your men in a useless manner
So, if this world is generally unrealistic (although entertaining) what do you guys think are some possible realistic scenarios for the great powers? Outcome of Russian Civil War? Future of France and Britain? Thanks.
Redcoat
Banned
I honestly think France falling to communism is realistic enough with a few prewar and domestic front tweaks. Britain I'd say goes through a bit of instability but otherwise stays fine. The Russian Civil War, the Whites were basically "Everyone that's not communist". Half of them were monarchist the other not, they were split across the political spectrum.....Yeah it'd probably fall to a dictatorship under someone though probably not Salinkov.
Just to point it out, unless I'm misremembering, the Kaiserreich wiki talks about the French Civil War between the syndicalists and a sort of far-right government that formed after the old government fell after they lost the war. So it's not as if it was a revolt against the wartime government.
The fact that Syndicalism is the largest Socialist movement instead of Communism is in itself... Weird. I was never quite sure why they became a dominant leftist theory, my understanding was that it was more fringe?
Maybe because it failed so miserably in the Soviet Union in that world?
That would result in a civil war, not Austria becoming HRE 2.0.
That's just as dumb. Who is going to fight for the ideology that lost the war? People who think the socialists weren't socialist enough? That would mean the fringe's fringe would have come to power.
Feel free to read about it on the Kaiserreich wiki. It can tell you more then I ever could.
If you want a better scenario, maybe this:
-Irredentist fascist France frothing from the mouth for war eventually
-Britain alternates between fascism and socialism as London strives to maintain financial dominance but simply can't restore itself after the War soaks her of money
-Italy is mad, poor, hungry, and desperate. Maybe they become a satellite to feed their people, or Mussolini takes power anyway but under different circumstances
-Germany is enjoying the good life at the expense of everyone around her but quietly there are problems even within the country
-Belgium, Denmark, Poland, Baltic nations, Finland, and any non-Hungarian leftovers of Austria-Hungary are German satellites with the Netherlands, Bulgaria, Ottomans, Italy, and Ukraine creeping that way or already there
-Russia is the new Balkans
-US is marginally aloft economically and very isolationist
-Japan profited from the war but got a taste of conquest...she wants more...
-Commonwealth states are either there by choice or waking up to the weakness of their colonial masters, moreso for the French colonial states
-Irredentist fascist France frothing from the mouth for war eventually
-Britain alternates between fascism and socialism as London strives to maintain financial dominance but simply can't restore itself after the War soaks her of money
-Italy is mad, poor, hungry, and desperate. Maybe they become a satellite to feed their people, or Mussolini takes power anyway but under different circumstances
-Germany is enjoying the good life at the expense of everyone around her but quietly there are problems even within the country
-Belgium, Denmark, Poland, Baltic nations, Finland, and any non-Hungarian leftovers of Austria-Hungary are German satellites with the Netherlands, Bulgaria, Ottomans, Italy, and Ukraine creeping that way or already there
-Russia is the new Balkans
-US is marginally aloft economically and very isolationist
-Japan profited from the war but got a taste of conquest...she wants more...
-Commonwealth states are either there by choice or waking up to the weakness of their colonial masters, moreso for the French colonial states
Wait, why is this in the after-1900 thread ? Shouldn't this be in Non-Political Chat or Fandom threads
Maybe,
Maybe. But it is a political chat about the possibilities of a German WWI victory world.
