Is Rome Worth One Good Man's Life?-A Roman TL

Good updates:cool:

I think this Pompeius Roma could be far more defensive, tended to stabilize the frontiers, more than enlarge them.

I am thinking in Germania basically, I think in this scenario we have not campaigns in Germania, a consolidation of the Rhine limes yes, but not an attempt to create Germania Magna.

It could be like something similar to Augustus principate, but there will important differences, principally I dont see this becoming like hereditary emperors of OTL, the Senate will remain more important than in OTL.

IMCO not to conquer Magna Germania NOW while Rome has the strength and will to do so will result in the same sort of "Migration Era" problems as in OTL.
Get them in the Empire now and they'll give the Empire the shot-in-the-arm it needed but didn't get in the 4-5th centuries OTL.

HoC
 
IMCO not to conquer Magna Germania NOW while Rome has the strength and will to do so will result in the same sort of "Migration Era" problems as in OTL.

I agree about the result starting 250 years later. Even if some people might dispute, if the Elbe-Border would really have changed that much.

But are you sure, that the roman economy and society had the strength to conquer another fully useless and cost-intensive territory in addition to northern spain. Wales and Mid-England? Even a much bigger territory? One of the best connoissuers of ancient Germany, the great general Tiberius Julius Caesar Augustus obviously would like to disagree with you. :cool:

There is another blown chance in this timeline so far. When I heard, that Cicero will survive, I hoped, that he would influence the upcoming new princeps, in order to create a more stable principate. Even if it sounds weird, but I am convinced, that some rather republican control-mechanisms might have helped to avoid usurpations. But Cicero is dead already. :(

PS: Don't get me wrong, I would not strongly disagree, if you claim, that Cicero was just an opportunistic, narcissistic windbag. ;)
 
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I agree about the result starting 250 years later. Even if some people might dispute, if the Elbe-Border would really have changed that much.

But are you sure, that the roman economy and society had the strength to conquer another fully useless and cost-intensive territory in addition to northern spain. Wales and Mid-England? Even a much bigger territory? One of the best connoissuers of ancient Germany, the great general Tiberius Julius Caesar Augustus obviously would like to disagree with you. :cool:

There is another blown chance in this timeline so far. When I heard, that Cicero will survive, I hoped, that he would influence the upcoming new princeps, in order to create a more stable principate. Even if it sounds weird, but I am convinced, that some rather republican control-mechanisms might have helped to avoid usurpations. But Cicero is dead already. :(

PS: Don't get me wrong, I would not strongly disagree, if you claim, that Cicero was just an opportunistic, narcissistic windbag. ;)
I love Cicero, but I wasn't sure what to do with him. He kinda plays the part that the proscriptions played OTL: Kinda easing the transition and limiting Senatorial opposition. Him living as long as he did here was a stretch itself, and I didn't really thing in his 80's he could do much to effect the settlement.
 
Originally posted by Agricola
But are you sure, that the roman economy and society had the strength to conquer another fully useless and cost-intensive territory in addition to northern spain. Wales and Mid-England? Even a much bigger territory? One of the best connoissuers of ancient Germany, the great general Tiberius Julius Caesar Augustus obviously would like to disagree with you.

Well, it was a question of prestige and also of some kind of self-defence against possible germans-marcomani incursions in OTL, like the conquest of Britannia by Claudius OTL or the avorted conquest of Germania Magna OTL.

I think here Pompeius has a lot of prestige -son of the great Pompeius, winner of the civil war, he has defeated the parthians it is not like Octavius that was a relatively unknown figure and he needed prestige-, I have my doubts also that Pompeius could decide to offensive operations in Germania, naturally retrospectively talking if Pompeius know the future he could consider conquer Germania, but here he doesnt know any about the Migrations Era.
 
Well from what I read (including a quick glance over Anthony Everett's biography on Augustus while at Barnes and Noble so I could have missed something in it), Augustus wanted to move the border to the Elbe because it made Italy better protected and it made a buffer to protect Gaul. Plus it just seemed like a better border.
 
Sorry for no update in a while guys. I'm looking into Anthony Everett's book on Augustus to get some ideas and also on Peter Heather's Fall of the Roman Empire to get better acquainted with Germania in Augustus's time to help me make this TL as good as it can be. :)
 
Okay, so after realizing that I had missed a lot of things, and left a lot to be desired on the historical accuracy side of things, I have decided to restart this timeline afresh here: https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?p=7640272#post7640272 . Sorry for having to restart it, but I feel I was not doing this timeline justice, and it just was not researched well enough. I hope I learned from my mistakes on this TL and make the other much more realistic and plausible, and don't miss important events.
 
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