Is Rome Worth One Good Man's Life?-A Roman TL

Again your praetorians look very Augustus-Style ;)

No critics, this is very reasonable and realistic. I patiently wait for your 3rd settlement. Take your time, dude. I am sure you will need it. ;)

If I would be Pompeius, I would not overdo with firther reforms into the right direction. Resistance is just too strong these times. But giving a clear sign and direction for Pompeius successors might be the way. Well I am eager about your genious succession model anyways ;)
 
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Goodie :)

Interested to see what changes will occur in the third settlement, although i assume there's a bit to go before you reach that stage.

Thanks! :D


HeroofCanton said:
Really? I must have confused what was done by Emperor Claudius.

HoC
Ah, good ol' uncle Claudius. He has a special place in my heart as far as Roman figures go. I can't help but like him.

Agricola said:
Again your praetorians look very Augustus-Style
Indeed. I actually found Augustus's way of setting up the guard smart. Hopefully his successor doesn't pull a Tiberius and let them concentrate in Rome.

Agricola said:
No critics, this is very reasonable and realistic. I patiently wait for your 3rd settlement. Take yout time, dude. I am sure you will need it.

Thanks. :)
 
Ah, good ol' uncle Claudius. He has a special place in my heart as far as Roman figures go. I can't help but like him.

Actually Claudius is perhaps the most underestimated emperor ever. His military reform, restructuring the equestiran career and the career of primipiliares was great, even if slightly improvable as the Flavians showed. And also the way, he dealed with citizend rights, was exemplary and very important for the further success of the empire. Perhaps essential for survival.

Well, to strengthen the empires administration was important, but to do that based on the caesarean family and his fredmen, like Claudius did, was propably not the best way. Fortunately later emperors corrected this mistake without further issues ;)

In this other thread somebody asked, which Emperor should have lived longer. I am sure, Mommsen, the great historian of the 19th century, would have answered: Claudius! Well, Mommsen also said, all we can say about Antoninus and Trajan is, that Antoninus was good and Trajan was brave. Thats it, both contributed nothing important ot the empire from Mommsens rather structural point of view ;)

But Claudius surely did!
 
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I agree about Claudius. I mean he's one of those figures that never should have been emperor in the first place. He was so irrelevant that he managed to escape the purges of Caligula and Tiberius unscathed. Everyone doubted him. Yet he probably did more good for setting the empire on track than most of the principate emperors.

Too bad he was assassinated. Though I particularly think Trajan did do a lot of good for the empire and Antoninus just kicked a lot of cans down the road.
 
I agree about Claudius. I mean he's one of those figures that never should have been emperor in the first place. He was so irrelevant that he managed to escape the purges of Caligula and Tiberius unscathed. Everyone doubted him. Yet he probably did more good for setting the empire on track than most of the principate emperors.

Too bad he was assassinated. Though I particularly think Trajan did do a lot of good for the empire and Antoninus just kicked a lot of cans down the road.

Well, he meant Antoninus Pius not Marcus Antoninus Aurelius. And regarding Trajan, I have to agree with Mommsen. He saved Rome from the shortterm bankruptcy with his dacian campaign. Unfortunately he wasted a lot of money whith his finally worthless parthian campaign. Worthless and cost intensive before he died already. I don't see any structural action from Trajan either. Perhaps his best choice was his wife, which made Hadrian emperor.

Oh wait, did i say Hadrian was a one of the good emperors? :eek:
 
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Realised I'd missed an update. :eek:
ndeed. I actually found Augustus's way of setting up the guard smart. Hopefully his successor doesn't pull a Tiberius and let them concentrate in Rome.
It is smart. The senate and the mob don't feel threatened, but if Pompeius feels threatened, it's different. A quick message can get those cohorts "in towns surrounding Rome", also known as "surrounding Rome", to remind everybody that they are there, and the nearest legion to oppose them is beyond the Alps...
 
Well, he meant Antoninus Pius not Marcus Antoninus Aurelius. And regarding Trajan, I have to agree with Mommsen. He saved Rome from the shortterm bankruptcy with his dacian campaign. Unfortunately he wasted a lot of money whith his finally wothless parthian campaign. Worthless and cost intensive before he died already. I don't see any structural action from Trajan either. Perhaps his best choice was his wife, which made Hadrian emperor.

Oh wait, did i say Hadrian was a one of the good emperors? :eek:

Yeah, I was referring to Antoninus Pius. I'm not a big fan of him.


Though I disagree on Trajan.
 
Realised I'd missed an update. :eek:

It is smart. The senate and the mob don't feel threatened, but if Pompeius feels threatened, it's different. A quick message can get those cohorts "in towns surrounding Rome", also known as "surrounding Rome", to remind everybody that they are there, and the nearest legion to oppose them is beyond the Alps...

Indeed. :)
 
The senate should have been totally pissed off about the implementation of these damn praetorians. But in OTL the real senate was mostly murdered and already replaced by caesarian sycopahnts.

Well, I don't think, that any emotion of aristocrats would have made a difference these times. Not about the praetorians. This was not negotiable surely ;)

Well, I have to scroll a bit back, in order to check, how this senatorial silence could fit with this new pompeian senate. Did we have these devastating proscriptions of the 2nd triumvirate which finally led to the desintegration of the old republican aristocracy?
 
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The senate should have been totally pissed off about the implementation of these damn praetorians. But in OTL the real senate was mostly murdered and already replaced by caesarian sycopahnts.

Well, I don't think, that any emotion of aristocrats would have made a difference these times. Not about the praetorians. This was not negotiable surely ;)

Well, I have to scroll a bit back, in order to check, how this senatorial silence could fit with this new pompeian senate. Did we have these devastating proscriptions of the 2nd triumvirate which finally led to the desintegration of the old republican aristocracy?
The Seconds Triumvirate did still go on with their proscriptions, yes. Though obviously those who successfully made it to Sicily still survived, they more or less did OTL with the treaty of Misenum as well.
 
Okay, so I'm trying to name the 28 legions Pompeius has. I have some of them, but I'm trying to find the numbers/names of any of Pompey's legions that were in Spain or Greece during Caesar's Civil War. If you guys can point me to a link where I can find them, or tell me what those numbers were, that would be greatly appreciated.
 
Okay, so I'm trying to name the 28 legions Pompeius has. I have some of them, but I'm trying to find the numbers/names of any of Pompey's legions that were in Spain or Greece during Caesar's Civil War. If you guys can point me to a link where I can find them, or tell me what those numbers were, that would be greatly appreciated.

I know just the lists on wikipedia. I am afraid you checked them already? They look pretty complete.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_legions

The german list is organized a bit better:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_römischen_Legionen
 
So I was going to post this big update explaining stuff about each and every one of the 28 legions and their provinces they are stationed in but after spending so much time getting names and numbers together, I'll just post what I had typed up for myself along with some images to go along (images are under names of legion):
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The 28 Pompeian Legions

Legio XXII Deiotariana (22nd Deiotarian legion (named after Galatian king who raised them)emblem=unknown Galatian symbol
190px-RSII-Legio_XXII_Deiotariana.jpg



Legio XIV Primigenia (“First Born”) Dedicated to Fortuna Primigenia emblem=fortuna
190px-RSII-Legio_XXII_Primigenia.jpg

Legio II Sicilica (2nd Sicilian Legion) emblem=jupiter
190px-RSII-Legio_VIII_Augusta.jpg

Legio V Neptunaris (Vth Neptune Legion) emblem=Neptune
190px-RSII-Legio_XV_Apollinaris.jpg

Legio III Cyrenaica (3rd Cyrene Legion) symbol=Venus
190px-RSII-Legio_III_Cyrenaica.jpg

Legio IV Scythica (4th Scythian Legion) emblem=capricorn
190px-RSII-Legio_IIII_Scythica.jpg

Legio VI Victrix Pia Fidelis(6th victorious loyal faithful legion) symbol=eagle
190px-RSII-Legio_VI_Victrix_Pia_Fidelis.jpg

Legio VII Fretensis (7th legion of the sea straits) emblem=neptune, boar, and ship
190px-RSII-Legio_X_Fretensis.jpg

Legio XII Fulminata (The 12th legion armed with lightning)emblem=thunderbolt
190px-RSII-Legio_XII_Fulminata.jpg

Legio XVI Pompeia Firma (16th Steadfast Pompeian Legion) emblem=Pegasus
190px-RSII-Legio_XVI_Flavia_Firma.jpg

Legio XX Valeria Victrix (20th Valiant and Victorius Legion) emblem=boar
190px-RSII-Legio_XX_Valeria_Victrix.jpg

Legio XXI Rapax (21st Predator Legion) emblem=capricorn
190px-RSII-Legio_XXI_Rapax.jpg

Legio I Italica (1st Italian Legion) emblem=boar
190px-RSII-Legio_VII_Claudia_Pia_Fidelis.jpg

Legio VI Gemina Martia Victrix (6th twin legion) emblem=Scorpio
190px-RSII-Legio_XIV_Gemina_Martia_Victrix.jpg

Legio IX Hispana (9th Hispanian legion) emblem=minerva
190px-RSII-Legio_IX_Hispana.jpg

Legio I Adiutrix (1st rescuer legion) emblem=dolphin
190px-RSII-Legio_I_Adiutrix.jpg

Legio V Macedonica (originally levied by Octavian in 43) emblem=mars
190px-RSII-Legio_V_Macedonia.jpg

Legio II Augusta (second Augustus legion) emblem=crossed thunderbolts of jupiter
190px-RSII-Legio_II_Augusta.jpg

Legio III Augusta (3rd Augustan Legion) emblem=pegasus and mars
190px-RSII-Legio_III_Augusta.jpg

Legio XV Minerva Pia Fidelis (15th Minerva Loyal and Faithful Legion) emblem=minerva
190px-RSII-Legio_I_Minerva_Pia_Fidelis.jpg

Legio XI Gallica (recruited by Agrippa from Gallic tribes) emblem=Lion
190px-RSII-Legio_III_Gallica.jpg

Legio VIII Gemina Victrix (8th twin victory legion) emblem=capricorn
190px-RSII-Legio_XI_Claudia_Pia_Fidelis.jpg

Legio X Gemina Pia (reconsripted from Antony) emblem=bull
190px-RSII-Legio_X_Gemina_Pia.jpg

Legio XVIII Germanica (18th Germanic Legion) emblem=Taurus
190px-RSII-Legio_I_Germanica.jpg

Legio XVII Martia (XVII Martian legion (Mars)) emblem=mars
190px-RSII-Legio_XIII_Gemina.jpg

Legio XIX Ferrata (19th ironclad legion) emblem=she wolf of Romulus and Remus
190px-RSII-Legio_VI_Ferrata.jpg

Legio XIII Urbana (13th Urban Legion) emblem=Juno
190px-RSII-Legio_V_Alaudae.jpg

Legio XXIII Augusta Felix (23rd Parthian Legion) emblem=Fortuna
190px-RSII-Legio_IIII_Flavia_Felix.jpg

 
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Phew...all caught up, finally.

Couple of questions: after this second settlement, what is Agrippa's legal position?

And, how 'bout a map?
 
Phew...all caught up, finally.

Couple of questions: after this second settlement, what is Agrippa's legal position?

And, how 'bout a map?

Well right now Agrippa is the governor of all of Transalpine Gaul. The re-organization of Gaul is still going on while this is happening.

I'll try and see if I can make a map, but I am really terrible at making maps. If any of you guys are good at making maps, I could use help.

Zireael said:
I love the legions update.
Thanks! :D

Agricola said:
Looks like the pics are from Total War: Roma Surrectum 2?
They are indeed. :cool:
 
Good updates:cool:

I think this Pompeius Roma could be far more defensive, tended to stabilize the frontiers, more than enlarge them.

I am thinking in Germania basically, I think in this scenario we have not campaigns in Germania, a consolidation of the Rhine limes yes, but not an attempt to create Germania Magna.

It could be like something similar to Augustus principate, but there will important differences, principally I dont see this becoming like hereditary emperors of OTL, the Senate will remain more important than in OTL.
 
I'm still on the fence about what I am going to do in Germania. But at least for now, Pompeius is going to work on shoring up what he already has (like pacifying Spain and the Alps)
 
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