Is Greater Greece plausible?

I don't think that chick in the corner of the map looks like she gives 2 craps about the Turks...

Yes, this would be bound to get... messy.

It's definitely not very plausible, but, in borders from the upper map it's possible. Lower is pretty ASB post 1900.
 

JJohnson

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Would there be circumstances if the POD were in the 19th century? Say from around 1820 or so? Something that would result in Greece getting at the very least all of Istanbul/Constantinople (both on Europe and Asia Minor).
 

Nietzsche

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Would there be circumstances if the POD were in the 19th century? Say from around 1820 or so? Something that would result in Greece getting at the very least all of Istanbul/Constantinople (both on Europe and Asia Minor).

Not without something catastrophic occurring that completely reduces the Ottoman Empire to a minor power. And even then, Greece will have to beat Russia to it.
 
Would there be circumstances if the POD were in the 19th century? Say from around 1820 or so? Something that would result in Greece getting at the very least all of Istanbul/Constantinople (both on Europe and Asia Minor).

You can try with a 19th century POD.
 
Leaving the ethnic cleansing rhetorics aside (check french and italian cuisine to see what a salade macedoine means , a culinary term describing an utter MESS), the only viable territorial possesions outside present day borders that could have been included were Northern Epirus (Southern Albania if you prefer) and the Vitola region , the first by the end of the 1st Balkan war and the 2nd if Greece had joined the Entente right from the start . Eastern Thrace was actually held by the greek army during the signing of the Lausanne Treaty , with no real prospect of the turks taking it back by military means .
 
The PoD has to be before 1800 or so, I believe, the point being that you need the Ottoman Empire to develop as OTL up to a certain point in order to let the ideas taht gave rise to the modern Greek state germinate, and then you need to fail in 18th century reform endeavours and so go down the tube in the early 19th C as OTL, which allows these intellectual trends to manifest as the Megalist conspiracy.

Although I consider the success of that conspiracy in its original aims (Greek-dominated neo-Byzantine Balkan-Christian state) supremely unlikely, it might just about be plausible in the event of a wholesale collapse of the Ottoman Empire and Russian intervention on a massive scale. This isn't possible in OTL's circumstances, but with a Napoleonic victory you might be able to pull it off. We won't go into the consequences, which are very likely the Morea ethnic-cleanings on a massive scale, and eventual national conflict between the Greek elite and their Serbian and Bulgarian vassals.

After that, the issues of comparative sizes, resource-bases etcetera are all in play, and the Greeks did very well to get what they did OTL. They could plausible secure northern Epirus, Cyprus, and much of eastern Thrace on top of that (and Imbros and Tenedos). Istanbul and Anatolia both entail pretty much insurmountable logistical difficulties.

Greece would have gotten that territory if the Treaty of Sèvres (WWI) worked.

Which it wasn't going to. It was based on illusions, the results of negotiations with a government that had lost control of a population and armed force with no intention of surrender.
 
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I don't even want to imagine the numbers that would have to be ethnically cleansed for that to happen. Not that the Greeks would have thought twice about that.
 
I don't even want to imagine the numbers that would have to be ethnically cleansed for that to happen. Not that the Greeks would have thought twice about that.

Unfortunately Ethnic cleansing was wide spread in almost every country within the Balkans around that time. However in this instance it could very well turn into a Genocide :(
 
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