Is a "Twilight of the Red Tsar" scenario possible with germany?

Well, since Twilight of the Red Tsar is a very well known scenario I don't think we need a description for it, you can read it here

This thread question is: It is possible for Hitler to sink a victorious reich into the ground without a war scenario like in AANW and before his own death? In TotRT Stalin lives until 1957, and his physical and mental health continues to degrade, and after his death the USSR falls into another civil war

In this proposed scenario, the third reich wins WWII in the same fashion as "A valkyrie rises over europe" and "the anglo american nazi war", but in this case Hitler lives longer, maybe until the late 50s and this result in himself destroying the reich, is it possible?
 
The Nazi state was built on very poor foundations:

1. Their economy required constant looting and the use of a vast system of slave labor. Eventually they'll run out of things to conquer, so no more looting, and their genocidal plans will burn through the slave labor force. Now Generalplan Ost was to take 25-30 years, so they would still have slave labor at Hitler's death, but at any rate peace is bad for the Nazi economy.

2. The entire system is dependent on Hitler. If we assume a TotRT-style decay for Hitler not only will his orders get more insane, but his subordinates will have to step in and take much more power into their own hands. Since the Nazi state was built so that the subordinates fight each other and only Hitler can keep everyone in line there would be crippling bureaucratic infighting.

Combined this makes Hitler driving Nazi Germany into the ground very plausible.
 
The entire system is dependent on Hitler. If we assume a TotRT-style decay for Hitler not only will his orders get more insane, but his subordinates will have to step in and take much more power into their own hands. Since the Nazi state was built so that the subordinates fight each other and only Hitler can keep everyone in line there would be crippling bureaucratic infighting.

Combined this makes Hitler driving Nazi Germany into the ground very plausible.

And how would this collapse be?
 
And how would this collapse be?

The inevitable clash between SS and the Party, the SS and the Wehrmacht, the Party and the Wehrmacht as well as a whole bunch of competing personalties and factions within each separate institution.

The SS will want to abolish the Party and establish themselves as a aristocracy. The Party will want to resubmit the SS to party control.

The SS will want to replace the Wehrmacht as Germany's Army, and will likely use their hordes of foreign volunteers to position themselves as a pan-European aryan brotherhood fighting against narrow Junker reactionaries. The Wehrmacht will want to remain independent of either SS or Party control.

The Party will want to reaffirm that Nazi Germany is a totalitarian, Fascist one-party state which doesn't need pseudo-knightly orders or the old military brass who laughed at them in the past calling the shots. I suspect as the writing on the wall becomes evident the Party will try and revive the SA as a major force.

Every major Nazi leader also hated each other.
 
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The inevitable clash between SS and the Party, the SS and the Wehrmacht, the Party and the Wehrmacht as well as a whole bunch of competing personalties and factions within each separate institution.

The SS will want to abolish the Party and establish themselves as a aristocracy. The Party will want to resubmit the SS to party control.

The SS will want to replace the Wehrmacht as Germany's Army, and will likely use their hordes of foreign volunteers to position themselves as a pan-European aryan brotherhood fighting against narrow Junker reactionaries. The Wehrmacht will want to remain independent of either SS or Party control.

The Party will want to reaffirm that Nazi Germany is a totalitarian, Fascist one-party state which doesn't need pseudo-knightly orders or the old military brass who laughed at them in the past calling the shots. I suspect as the writing on the wall becomes evident the Party will try and revive the SA as a major force.

Every major Nazi leader also hated each other.

So you foresee a situation where there are no good options? I am holding out for a Carnation Revolution of disaffected soldiers.
 

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So you foresee a situation where there are no good options? I am holding out for a Carnation Revolution of disaffected soldiers.

Basically. If we took the situation in Germany at face value:

Göring's Luftwaffe, Himmler's SS, Speer/Bormann/whoever's Party apparatus, and then some mystery element from the Army (provided it doesn't get purged of disloyal generals) are all going to want their own way when Hitler kicks the bucket. It's a perfect recipe for civil war. Göring is likely to side with the party proper, but there'll be a definitive push to move away from the SS as an "arm of the party" back to the Sturmabteilung.
 
Oh, and Rosenberg of all people might advocate for elections and the abolition of the office of Führer, something he indicated in his Political Testament.

He and whose army would be the question here.
 
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