"Irish" state in the New World

Basically what I need is an Irish diaspora concentrated at a specific point and in the circumstances where they can declare themselves independent and a successor to the Irish state without getting squished.

Basic idea (very basic I might add) is that a large enough amount of the Irishmen serving in the Spanish military during the Age of Discovery decide to settle themselves on a Carribean island, for the sake of arguement we shall say Cuba.

So they settle down, making a fairly respecable Gaelic speaking minority amongst the Spanish, a few of the Irish nobles being governors and such. The British take the island during some colonial skirmish with Spain and keep it, leading to even more Irish migration to the island.

So, something happens which leads to the dissolution of the Irish Parliament, a surviving *English Commonwealth or an *Act of Union. This pisses off the Carribbean Irishmen who declare themselves the successor to the Kingdom of Ireland, appoint themselves a king and basically tell Britain to fuck off.

This is probably streching the realms of plausibility somewhat, I'm just floating it due to Rule of Cool.
 
In my TL that I plan to revive the Irish eventually get parts of Mexico California and New Orleans but thats after 100 years or so of independance and after a while bits get bitten off leaving a small rump state in Mexico.

There simply arent enough Irish to dominate more than an Island or so and after a while larger nations would take what they want. The Irish NW nation would only suvive on the mainland by whoring itelf to the U.S. If it only declares Independance in the 1920's it's boned unless the U.S supports it which is pretty unlikely.
 
It's the "without getting squished" part that doesn't look very plausible to me...
Well if it were say Cuba or Hispaniola, then there's some good distance between them and the Home Islands, which could really help them out.

And I deliberately chose an island for this, if you just had a bunch of Irishmen in Boston or New York deciding "Hey, fuck Britain!" then they'd be crushed either by a Loyalist counterrevolution or British forces in neighbouring colonies. However on middle-sized island, where they make up a sizebale minority and the rest of the population would be pretty hostile to Britain in the first place then they might stand a chance.

Ultimately an *English Civil War secession would work best due to the lack of British naval dominance and powers nearby who would happily support an Irish state if just to annoy Britain. However the *Act of Union one may be a little trickier unless Britain is at war at the time and doesn't have a hegemoney on the American mainland.
 
My though would would be either part of Newfoundland or present day Washington State/British Columbia. Places either not worth a fight to acquire or too distant during critical early years to be subject to too much interference. There would be butterflies back in Ireland, Great Britain and by extension the rest of the British Empire due to the existence of such a state. This would also effect the cultural development of the US.
 
Well if it were say Cuba or Hispaniola, then there's some good distance between them and the Home Islands, which could really help them out.

And I deliberately chose an island for this, if you just had a bunch of Irishmen in Boston or New York deciding "Hey, fuck Britain!" then they'd be crushed either by a Loyalist counterrevolution or British forces in neighbouring colonies. However on middle-sized island, where they make up a sizebale minority and the rest of the population would be pretty hostile to Britain in the first place then they might stand a chance.

Ultimately an *English Civil War secession would work best due to the lack of British naval dominance and powers nearby who would happily support an Irish state if just to annoy Britain. However the *Act of Union one may be a little trickier unless Britain is at war at the time and doesn't have a hegemoney on the American mainland.
Did you see my reply to the earlier post about an Ireland that including Martinique? There was actually a self-proclaimed 'Irish' colony on the island of Montserrat IOTL, which was squished by English forces -- I think the same ones whose leaders decided that Hispaniola was too tough, and seized Jamaica itself -- during Cromwell's time, although admittedly that's a much smaller island than the ones that you're suggesting here.
Hispaniola the OTL British attacked once or twice again on, and Cuba (well, the area around Havana anyway) they actually managed to conquer from Spain although it was handed back as part of a peace treaty. Put an anti-British 'Irish Kingdom' on one of those islands instead and, unless your TL's Britain is a lot less determined than the OTL one, it almost certainly will get "squished" sooner or later...
You really need a location that the Royal Navy couldn't have reached.
 
Did you see my reply to the earlier post about an Ireland that including Martinique? There was actually a self-proclaimed 'Irish' colony on the island of Montserra IOTLt, which was squished by English forces -- I think the same ones whose leaders decided that Hispaniola was too tough, and seized Jamaica itself -- during Cromwell's time. Hispaniola the OTL British attacked once or twice later on, and Cuba (well, the area around Havana anyway) they actually managed to conquer from Spain although it was handed back as part of a peace treaty). Put an anti-British 'Irish Kingdom' on one of those islands instead and, unless your TL's Britain is a lot less dtermined than the OTL one, it almost certainly will get "squished" sooner or later...
You really need a location that the Royal Navy couldn't have reached.
Yes but this isn't just OTL Cuba decides to declare itself an Irish Kingdom as soon as Cromwells forces arrive in the Carribean, this is with a POD much earlier along with the demographic and political changes that entails. Cromwell would like as not not even exist ITTL, or if he did the event that occurs which causes this could be long before or long after his existance. It's all hypothetical. Maybe the Royal Navy will be stronger, maybe it will be weaker, maybe they'll be too distracted with a war in Europe to effectively respond to the rebellion. We don't know because there's not even a suitable POD for this event yet.

And yes I did see that, I already knew that though as the reason Ireland had Martinique on that map was basically British compensation for their casualties sustained in a war against France I didn't think it was exactl relevant.

In my TL that I plan to revive the Irish eventually get parts of Mexico California and New Orleans but thats after 100 years or so of independance and after a while bits get bitten off leaving a small rump state in Mexico.

There simply arent enough Irish to dominate more than an Island or so and after a while larger nations would take what they want. The Irish NW nation would only suvive on the mainland by whoring itelf to the U.S. If it only declares Independance in the 1920's it's boned unless the U.S supports it which is pretty unlikely.
Surely though Irelands population was only limited to the size of Ireland and how much food they could produce in order to sustain said population?

So if you settle say 1,000 Irish people in Ukraine without anyone to fuck them about, their population is going to expand in accordance with how much food they can produce, which is a fuckton of food.

So Irish Cuba is going to have as high a population as OTL Cuba bar some nasty-ass plague or Genocide.

Also, I want to read that TL.
 
There simply arent enough Irish to dominate more than an Island or so and after a while larger nations would take what they want. The Irish NW nation would only suvive on the mainland by whoring itelf to the U.S. If it only declares Independance in the 1920's it's boned unless the U.S supports it which is pretty unlikely.
There were almost as many Irishmen as there were English until the Famine.
 
The Black Irish of Montserrat - Irish accents in the Caribbean

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QHYFXDGf4Y


http://radharcfilms.ie/component/option,com_cinema/Itemid,40/task,detail/id,442/

Montserrat

This island measures approximately 16 km (9.9 mi) long and 11 km (6.8 mi) wide, giving 40 kilometres (25 mi) of coastline.[2] Montserrat is nicknamed the Emerald Isle of the Caribbean both for its resemblance to coastal Ireland and for the Irish ancestry of some of its inhabitants.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montserrat


" By the late 1700s there were many plantations on the island. Many Irish people were also taken as slaves to the island, some of whom were political prisoners taken there by Cromwell.[6]
In 1782, during the American Revolutionary War, Montserrat was briefly captured by France. It was returned to Great Britain under the Treaty of Paris which ended that conflict. A failed slave uprising on March 17, 1768[7] led to the celebration of St Patrick's Day as a public holiday in Montserrat, and festivities held that week celebrate the culture of Montserrat, through songs, dances, and traditional costumes and foods. Slavery was abolished in Montserrat in 1834."




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The Irish Empire
by Paul O'Johnson
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(This is a summary of the book. The original is 1,546 pages long.)

Among the many dismaying events of the twentieth century, few would have surprised and appalled the optimistic mind of the nineteenth more than the complete disintegration of the Irish Empire by 1960. For centuries the chief bulwark of Christendom against the Quetzal League of the Mississippi, its swift decline from the largest unified political unit in the history of the world to a squabbling "Commonwealth of Nations" seemed to put the whole of civilization at risk. As is often the case in history, our worst fears were as unfounded as our fondest hopes, and the terrible North American tyranny collapsed at the very moment it seemed poised to gather the empire of the world to itself. The process by which we were saved was almost as disconcerting as the one we thought would damn us.
No single ruler was more responsible for the ultimate rise of Irish civilization that the Roman Emperor Britanicus. After the suspicious death of his adoptive brother Nero in 54 A.D., he presided over a prosperous, uneventful reign which did much to redeem the reputation of the imperial office. Britanicus occupied his time primarily in the pursuit of the pedantic interests that had so largely concerned his father, the Emperor Claudius. It is due to Britanicus's filial diligence in promoting the copying and distribution of his father's historical works that the histories of Claudius are among the most widely-preserved primary sources that have come down to us from ancient times. It was also out of filial piety that Britanicus pursued his father's original conquests in Britain, to a degree that perhaps exceeded the actual value of the province. The invasion of Munster in 60 A.D. by Governor Paulus, made in response to the depredations of Irish pirates on the loosely defended coasts of newly Roman Britain, occasioned the first permanent foothold of the Roman Empire in Ireland. The conquest of the island was not completed, however, until fifty years later under the Emperor Trajan.
Roman Ireland was more isolated and eccentric than its British neighbor to the east, but in some ways its condition was happier. After the initial Roman penetration of the eastern and southern areas of the country, the local kings of the north and west resigned themselves to civilization and submitted to Rome, in exchange for a large degree of local autonomy. Far more peaceful than imperfectly-conquered Britain, Ireland soon developed a lively if peculiar literary culture. The Romance language of Ireland, Ibernacha, has clear roots in the late Latin dialect of the country, which was unique among the colloquial tongues of the west in finding written expression even before the empire collapsed. Also, perforce, the province developed a precocious maritime technology to keep in touch with the rest of civilization. The island was scarcely affected by the civil wars that wracked the Roman world in the third century. When the Roman legions withdrew from the British Isles in the fifth century, both major islands were briefly ruled from the Irish provincial capital at Rodillanegra. When the Anglo-Saxon invasions overran southern and eastern Britain, Wales and north central Britain were organized as Irish marches to keep the Germanic peoples at bay. This basic configuration of the British Isles, a Latino-Celtic west and north surrounding a West Frisian (historically called "English") lowland based in London, continues to this day.
The years from about 450 A.D. to the Norse conquest of 800 A.D. are usually called the first Irish Golden Age. The only part of western Europe to escape barbarian invasion during the collapse of the Roman Empire, the island actually remained a nominal province of Byzantium after the abdication of the last western emperor in 476. The unfortunate attempt by the Emperor Justinian to send an exarch to the island to collect taxes caused the last "Roman governor" of the island (by then, the office was hereditary to the ruler of the Rodillanegran Pale) to declare himself High King in the sixth century. The survival of literary culture in Ireland was vital to the restoration of civilization in western Europe. It was chiefly due to the Irish that Christendom was not confined to western Europe, but spread in a great arc from the steppes of Russia to the Great Plains of North America. Throughout this period, Irish missionaries and teachers moved in great numbers across the continent. It was, of course, the Irish who won the northern and eastern Slavic peoples for Roman Christianity, cutting off the cultural influence of Orthodoxy beyond the Balkans and the Black Sea. Many European cities were founded around the sites of Irish monasteries. The city of Munich, for instance, was originally "the place of the monks." Just as important for later history, Irish missionary and commercial enterprise pushed gradually west into Iceland and Greenland, until finally the first port cities were founded on the North American continent about the year 700 A.D.
The spread of Eurasian civilization to the western hemisphere was to have vast consequences both for good and evil in the distant future, but the near-term effects were almost wholly positive. Metallurgy, literacy and husbandry spread throughout the eastern half of the northern continent, far beyond the political influence of the scattered Irish colonies on the east coast. The disease ecologies of the two hemispheres were gradually brought into harmony. Great Christian states came into existence. The Iroquoian Republic in the area south of the Great Lakes contributed mightily to the soaring architecture of the Age of the Cathedrals, while the Cherokee Kingdom of the Appalachians, which developed paper currency even before the Chinese, became nearly synonymous with medieval financial enterprise. Although the loyalty of the Irish colonies to the High King was rather nominal during this period, still Ireland remained the great, inevitable trading center between the two hemispheres.
It was beyond Christendom, in the dark, dynamic society of the Mississippi Valley, that the terror of the next millennium was being formed. Agricultural societies in the continent's chief river valley long antedated the European stimulus. Left to themselves, however, these societies would have been characterized by middle-sized towns with no particular technological edge over their neighbors. The diffusion of Eurasian technology from the east coast changed that. Armed with metal weapons and armored cavalry, the southern half of the Mississippi Valley had achieved unity by the ninth century, and was already moving to extend its control over the ancient, degenerate civilizations of Mexico and Central America. By the standards of most cultures for most of their histories, the spirit of those southern regions was quite literally diabolical. The Mississippians, a subtle and ingenious people, took took that spirit for their own.
The Quetzal Teaching, as it came to be called, is sometimes classed not as an ideology or religion at all, but as a mind control technique. Abandoning such crudities as government sponsored human sacrifice, its goal was sacrifice of the spirit, to conquer this world for the Otherworld by peopling it with "living victims." (The Quetzal term for "citizen" was "the Eaten.") Under its influence, the whole of Mississippian civilization, and to lesser degrees the societies under its influence, became a network of identical, tomb-like cites. Quetzal cities were laid out in perfect grids of paved streets and white buildings, and their layout was never altered from the day of their foundation. Devoid of art, crime, social classes or places of worship, their inhabitants had no names except for their addresses. It was only in the twentieth century that archeological finds in Indus Valley revealed a society eerily similar to this. Some chaos-historians have pointed out that Earth's weather could be governed by one of two strange attractors, the one we have, and the permanently frozen hypothetical world called "the White Earth." Similarly, they suggest, human civilization may be capable of two basic forms, that known to most of history, and that of the Indus and the Mississippi. In any event, we know that the Indus Valley (or Harappan) Culture, lasting from 2500 B.C. to 1500 B.C., led a death-in-life existence similar to that of the Quetzal League. The big difference, of course, was that while the Indus Valley was unassertive, almost reclusive, the Mississippi evinced a terrible hunger to expand.
Ireland's immediate problems came not from the West but from the North. The conquest of Ireland in 800 was unique among the Norse conquests in that it was done at a single stroke. The country did not have to be repeatedly invaded and absorbed piecemeal as local governments were improvised. Though hardly a model of administrative efficiency, the "Lands of the High King," as the Irish state was known, were still far more unified and rationally governed than any other polity in western Europe. Furthermore, the early commercial economy of the kingdom was something the Norse understood and were eager to promote. Ireland naturally became the center for Norse activity in the British Isles. Rodillanegra was the seat of King Canute's ephemeral empire, which included the British Isles and Denmark. This rather rickety structure passed to native control with the expulsion of the Norse by King Brian Boru in 1011, and then collapsed entirely when the Normans invaded West Frisia in 1066.
Since then, potentially rich West Frisia has been a debatable land, the prize of the governments of Normandy, Ireland, Scotland and, since the seventeenth century, the Netherlands. Despite occasional expressions of nationalist sentiment, West Frisia makes most sense as an integral part of the Low Countries, on both ethnic and linguistic grounds. There are, of course, religious objections. West Frisia was the only part of the British Isles to remain in the Roman communion at the time of the Reformation, despite the fierce persecution by the Calvinist Church of Ireland, which exercised ecclesiastical jurisdiction over the country during the last phase of Irish political control. However, it is hard to believe that this peaceful agricultural country could really contemplate an independent existence.
The Norse period served to strengthen the powers of the Irish central government. It also began the long evolution of representative democracy with the creation of the Seaman's Court. The merchants who made up this assembly provided most of the kingdom's tax revenues. The High Kings increasingly found themselves compelled to negotiate with the Court for funds to support the state. Naval technology improved enormously. The North American colonies were expanded and unified, until they formed a sold chain down the entire east coast. By the time the Spanish began their transatlantic expansion at the end of the fifteenth century, after the successful completion of the Reconquista, there were already considerable Irish colonies in Brazil and the Rio dela Plata. Irish traders were slowly gaining control of the commerce of Peru.
The terrible series of Irish-Spanish conflicts forms one of the darkest chapters of the Wars of Religion. Many factors served to envenom and prolong the conflict, from the rich spoils to be found in the Western Hemisphere to the fact that Spanish and Ibernacha are sufficiently similar to allow of mutual invective. The Irish did better in the earliest stages of the century and a half of conflict because of the technological edge provided by their long maritime tradition. However, the Spanish wove an ultimately successful series of anti-Irish alliances from France to Peru, composed of states long suspicious of Irish ambitions. The Irish were driven from the Pacific entirely by 1600 through the concerted efforts of the Spanish and their ally, the newly Catholic Empire of Japan. To this day, despite nearly two centuries of later alliance between Japan and Ireland, the figure of the Samurai Jesuit is enough to excite the prejudices so deeply rooted in even the most enlightened Irish heart. The final result was that the High King lost all of South America outside Brazil, which itself fought a successful war of independence in the eighteenth century.
In the long view, it may perhaps have been to Ireland's advantage that it was forced for a century to confine its interests more narrowly. Rather than squandering its resources in a premature world empire like Spain, Ireland struggled to develop the legal and social mechanisms necessary to free market capitalism. It forged what seemed to be permanent dynastic links with Scotland and Wales, and began the long, hard work of constructing a barrier of alliances in North America against the Quetzal menace to the coastal colonies. By the late seventeenth century, it is already anachronistic to speak of "The Lands of the High King." The Irish Empire known to history already existed in embryo. With the beginning of the Industrial Revolution in the Irish Kingdom of Scotland, the Empire was in a position to become the first true world power.
The story has long been told how the Empire expanded its influence in Europe to oppose French attempts at hegemony. As Spain declined, the Irish became first its predator and then its protector. In India, for reasons that seemed like a good idea at the time, the Irish gathered up the fragments of the moribund Mughal Empire into a polity that itself had to be regarded as one of the major political subdivisions of mankind. Allied with the Kingdom of Poland, which in those days extended almost to the Urals, it financed the defeat of Napoleon, itself providing the crucial forces for the final battles in the Low Countries. With the end of the Napoleonic Wars, the Irish Empire was without peers anywhere in the world, and without real enemies. Except, of course, the Quetzal League.
The Great Game, as it came to be called, between the League and the Empire was the defining theme of the next hundred years of world history. Even the three German War between 1870 and 1940, and the expansion of the Empire to include a quarter of the world's land area, seem like distractions in comparison to the great struggle to keep the terrible power of the Mississippi contained. The League tended to absorb technological advances rather unevenly, but from the very beginning of its existence it made the study of the military and industrial technique of the rest of the world one of the chief functions of the state. Neither was it wholly without the power to innovate. Thus, though early ironclad ships gave the combined Nipponese-Irish fleet a decisive advantage in the defense of Honshu in 1854, the combined fleet of the same powers was wholly outclassed by the Quetzal forces in the catastrophic battles for the defense of the Kingdom of Hawaii in 1904.
The tale of the Irish Empire in the twentieth century was one of decline, punctuated by dazzling recoveries. The Empire's role in world affairs was first shared with and then largely transferred to the Republic of Brazil, a nation in any event inextricably linked to Ireland by ties of blood and language. Since the turn of the century, that state has been the leading economic power in the world. The century brought a new golden age of Ibernacha literature, coincident with the dominance of the language in world trade and scholarship. Still, even the glories of Yeats and Joyce could not illumine the dusk into which the Empire, indeed all of Christendom, seemed to be falling.
The end of the colonial period revealed Ireland for what it was, a mild, North Atlantic island that is a convenient place to stop on the way to North America from continental Europe, if you are going by sail power. Though centuries of relative security and good government have made the island a place where people feel safe doing business and otherwise parking their money, there was no intrinsic strength in the country to support the historical role it had taken on itself. First its dependencies demanded autonomy, and then independence. The harbinger of the coming disintegration was the granting of substantial independence to Scotland and Wales in 1922. For the first time since the end of the Roman Empire, no part of Britain answered directly to Rodillanegra. These events were not lost on the Empire's chief enemy. The Empire's ancient allies in North America began to curry favor with the ascendant Quetzal League. Finally, in 1936, the Irish colonies on the coast were induced to "invite" the League to occupy them for their own protection.
While the burden of defense was exhausting, even the German Wars were not so enervating as the spread of Quetzalist philosophy to the upper and intellectual classes of the Empire. Step by step with the decline of the Empire aboard, progressive people called for the adoption of features of the Quetzal way of life in Ireland itself. The bare, white austerity of Quetzal archetecture became almost manadatory, representative art disappeared from the galleries, the very concept of the integral human person was deconstructed by writers and psychologists alike. Indeed, it is now known that, at the very time that the League was about to disintegrate, the High King's Cabinet was secretly considering application for admission to the League as an associate member.
The Quetzal League came to an end on that memorable day in 1989, when all communication with the Mississippi Valley abruptly ceased. There has never been a satisfactory explanation of what happened. The first tentative relief expeditions found chaos, death, and mass suicide on a scale that can scarcely be imagined. Comparisons with the fate of the Indus Valley Culture were what naturally came to mind. There, it is known, the chief centers of civilization had simply ceased to function in a very short period of time. Bodies lay in the immaculate streets that, for the first time in a millennium, no one came to clean in the morning. Scholars speak learnedly of "non-linear cultural change" and the "loss of social strange attractor," but their speculations simply mask their ignorance.
This turn of events preserved Ireland from external destruction, perhaps, but at the cost of undermining its faith in the fundamental rationality of the world. A fight to the finish, even if lost, at least would have been an explainable end. So would a negotiated surrender. As it is, civilization seems to have been preserved by a suspension of the laws of nature. This is not altogether encouraging."
 
Yes but this isn't just OTL Cuba decides to declare itself an Irish Kingdom as soon as Cromwells forces arrive in the Carribean, this is with a POD much earlier along with the demographic and political changes that entails. Cromwell would like as not not even exist ITTL, or if he did the event that occurs which causes this could be long before or long after his existance. It's all hypothetical. Maybe the Royal Navy will be stronger, maybe it will be weaker, maybe they'll be too distracted with a war in Europe to effectively respond to the rebellion. We don't know because there's not even a suitable POD for this event yet.

And yes I did see that, I already knew that though as the reason Ireland had Martinique on that map was basically British compensation for their casualties sustained in a war against France I didn't think it was exactl relevant.



Surely though Irelands population was only limited to the size of Ireland and how much food they could produce in order to sustain said population?

So if you settle say 1,000 Irish people in Ukraine without anyone to fuck them about, their population is going to expand in accordance with how much food they can produce, which is a fuckton of food.

So Irish Cuba is going to have as high a population as OTL Cuba bar some nasty-ass plague or Genocide.

Also, I want to read that TL.

I've only done the initial POD and the first butterfly before I halted it to try and find out more about the politics of the era.

I have a rough outline of what I want to happen with Ireland being united 1710 ish with the last independant Anglo-Irish plantation kingdom ( long story ) falling. The main reason the colony exists is that Britian is extremely weak.

Cromwell dies but the civil war goes on for a decade more and a failed Irish campaign to restore dominance over the south ends badly followed by several wars with a quadruple alliance of Scotland, Ireland, Spain and France.

Meanwhile England is run by a group of nobels who carve small kingdoms for themselves and fight mini wars agianst each other and the king. The Irish get american land as rewards from the french and spanish which expand as they recede. Even so overtime the delayed USA ( much more German) grabs a lot of land and the mexicans take some and so on.

The point is that even in great circumstances ( for them anyway ) the Irish colonies would only exist as long as the american powers allow them to.
 
@BELFAST

Ummm, thanks.

I've only done the initial POD and the first butterfly before I halted it to try and find out more about the politics of the era.

I have a rough outline of what I want to happen with Ireland being united 1710 ish with the last independant Anglo-Irish plantation kingdom ( long story ) falling. The main reason the colony exists is that Britian is extremely weak.

Cromwell dies but the civil war goes on for a decade more and a failed Irish campaign to restore dominance over the south ends badly followed by several wars with a quadruple alliance of Scotland, Ireland, Spain and France.

Meanwhile England is run by a group of nobels who carve small kingdoms for themselves and fight mini wars agianst each other and the king. The Irish get american land as rewards from the french and spaniIsh which expand as they recede. Even so overtime the delayed USA ( much more German) grabs a lot of land and the mexicans take some and so on.

The point is that even in great circumstances ( for them anyway ) the Irish colonies would only exist as long as the american powers allow them to.
Yes but can't you say many small states? An Irish dominated Carribean island which declares independence from Britain could be annexed by another empire, but that does not mean that it definitely will be.

Also, this is not an Irish colony. Whichever island it is that becomes this Carribbean Irish state will have had Irishmen colonising it first as Spanish soldiers, and then as English settlers. They swore allegiance to Madrid and then London rather than Dublin.
 
In my TL that I plan to revive the Irish eventually get parts of Mexico California and New Orleans but thats after 100 years or so of independance and after a while bits get bitten off leaving a small rump state in Mexico.

There simply arent enough Irish to dominate more than an Island or so and after a while larger nations would take what they want. The Irish NW nation would only suvive on the mainland by whoring itelf to the U.S. If it only declares Independance in the 1920's it's boned unless the U.S supports it which is pretty unlikely.
Im sorry, but do you know why the America's were successful? It was because farming and productivity allowed multiple and numerous amounts of children to survive. Typical families had around 6 children in the Plymouth Colony. Give the Irish a colony and I guarantee that they will be multiplying like Jackrabbits in heat.
 
Im sorry, but do you know why the America's were successful? It was because farming and productivity allowed multiple and numerous amounts of children to survive. Typical families had around 6 children in the Plymouth Colony. Give the Irish a colony and I guarantee that they will be multiplying like Jackrabbits in heat.
And then the problem becomes an American tail wagging an increasingly worried Irish dog :rolleyes:
 
If you really want to go for Rule of Cool you can always try finding a plausible-sounding enough way to have a successful Fenian Invasion of Canada. That would be kinda cool, no matter how unlikely.
 
Yes but this isn't just OTL Cuba decides to declare itself an Irish Kingdom as soon as Cromwells forces arrive in the Carribean, this is with a POD much earlier along.
Before OTL Columbus? Or maybe the Armada sailed to Ireland instead of along the Channel? Unless you tell us when & what that POD actually was, and how England/Britain would have been directly affected by it, trying to comment on the whole idea's feasibility is rather difficult...
 
Before OTL Columbus? Or maybe the Armada sailed to Ireland instead of along the Channel? Unless you tell us when & what that POD actually was, and how England/Britain would have been directly affected by it, trying to comment on the whole idea's feasibility is rather difficult...
This isn't asking "Is this idea feasible" it's asking you to come up with a scenario which fits inside the layed out parameters. I was just giving my thoughts on the topic.

I should have written "AHC" to make that clearer.

Yeah the Maritimes would be the best place to set up an Irish state. The West Indies, not so much.
Maritimes:
•Can't support a large population
•Right next to Canada
•Right in between Canada and Britain
•Shitty weather

West Indian Island:
•Can support 10x the population of the Maritimes on its largest island
•Surrounded by potentially friendly states
•Somewhat out of the way for Britain, though still close to some important colonies
•Fucking lovely weather
 
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