Ireland screws up and gets dragged into World War 2

Very much agreed on the result of Ireland joining in. As for the `treaty' bases they would be near enough impossible to hang on to long term

After WW2 where Ireland would have stayed out (or under the OP done something stupid enough to get the UK to invade) then I could see the UK deciding to hold onto them anyway, or hand them over to the US (who could keep them and be slightly less of an issue).
 

Pangur

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After WW2 where Ireland would have stayed out (or under the OP done something stupid enough to get the UK to invade) then I could see the UK deciding to hold onto them anyway, or hand them over to the US (who could keep them and be slightly less of an issue).
assuming the rest of history stays the same that might cause a fews issues when they wag the finger at the USSR
 
I know the stories about U boats being supplied but honestly I'm struggling to think of ports that would be able to give enough support or accessible, I mean even if ships were caught doing so at see Dublin could argue it's not on them. Maybe giving details to the German Embassy?

If Dublin says its not on them then the UK needs to use their troops to do what Dublin gov can't
 
If Dublin says its not on them then the UK needs to use their troops to do what Dublin gov can't
Ships not troops, as I said I can't think of any Western Ports that have the capability/resources in order to support U Boats. And as I said there's never been ever evidence that anything like that every happened.
 
Ships not troops, as I said I can't think of any Western Ports that have the capability/resources in order to support U Boats. And as I said there's never been ever evidence that anything like that every happened.

Sure but if it did and that was there response then the UK will be forced to defend same as in Iceland etc
 
Sure but if it did and that was there response then the UK will be forced to defend same as in Iceland etc

Bit of a difference though. I’d imagine Dublin could argue that the U.K. won’t sell the weapons/equipment to prevent such issues.

And like I said in such a case the U.K. is going to be using up a lot of their spare capacity of troops in that time period.
 
Bit of a difference though. I’d imagine Dublin could argue that the U.K. won’t sell the weapons/equipment to prevent such issues.

And like I said in such a case the U.K. is going to be using up a lot of their spare capacity of troops in that time period.

Well they can argue what they like they're admitting that they can't stop their own citizens aiding the axis. The UK doesn't need any further motivation than that. When they start asking for weapons to be deviated from fighting the Nazis that's just gonna raise more issues.
 
Well they can argue what they like they're admitting that they can't stop their own citizens aiding the axis. The UK doesn't need any further motivation than that. When they start asking for weapons to be deviated from fighting the Nazis that's just gonna raise more issues.

Diverting troops to occupy a hostile Ireland from fighting nazis is going to raise a fuck more level of issues. Post Dunkirk you are talking about using up some of the last uncommitted equipped troops for example.
 
Diverting troops to occupy a hostile Ireland from fighting nazis is going to raise a fuck more level of issues. Post Dunkirk you are talking about using up some of the last uncommitted equipped troops for example.

Right but that's the principle of the thread. The British react badly and bring Ireland into the war. But its hardly asb if a nation tells you they won't stop their citizens supplying nazis that you start treating them as a cobelligerent
 
Right but that's the principle of the thread. The British react badly and bring Ireland into the war. But its hardly asb if a nation tells you they won't stop their citizens supplying nazis that you start treating them as a cobelligerent

When said nation is actively supporting you at pretty much all state levels vastly more than what a few individuals are doing and an intervention will tie down forces you need elsewhere? If your ships catch Irish ships supporting U boats fair game, otherwise I'd hazard a guess and "Anglo-Irish solution for an Anglo-Irish issue".
 
Honestly I think an American occupation of Ireland was more likely than a British one (while still being very unlikely.) FDR and his government were very unsympathetic towards Ireland while the Brits (except for Churchill himself) tended to take a much more nuanced view - John Maffey was a man with all the old British biases when it came to Ireland but he was also capable of working well with Dev and understanding what the actual feeling was in Dublin.
 
Really? I never knew that... Was it because of neutrality, or something more?

Mostly neutrality, though personal factors did not help. David Gray, FDR's man in Dublin had disastorous relations with Dev.

Essentially the US Government saw Irish neutrality as a weak link in the UK's stand against Hitler, particularly regarding the Treaty Ports and the Battle of the Atantic and tended to ignore or belittle the causes of any Irish animosity towards the UK. There was a lot of paranoia about supposed pro-Axis sentiment and spies in Ireland. There was also the feeling that Ireland depended on British survival for her own so it was surely obvious that Ireland should aid the UK.

It wasn't just the Government either. The American press tended to take a very dim view of Irish neutrality, as at absolute best, foolish and dangerous:

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Pangur

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I am going this up front, the British are not getting there way on Bexit. The Irish get the blame and hey lets recycle old BS about how the Irish helped the Nazi
 
I am going this up front, the British are not getting there way on Bexit. The Irish get the blame and hey lets recycle old BS about how the Irish helped the Nazi

You may have missed the fact that most posters in this thread are Irish.:rolleyes:
 
OK, roughly half the posts...
Which mainly came from me engaging with posters that aren't Irish as far as I know. And @Pangur and I know each other well enough and not to derail this into current Pols, but I've already seen such comments online in regards to Brexit.
 
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