Iranic-speaking or Persian Ukraine

In classical times, southern Ukraine was populated by nomadic Iranic-speaking peoples like the Scythians and Sarmatians, and at one point was occupied by the army of Darius I, who campaigned against the Scythians.

What would it take for this population, perhaps formally conquered by the Persian Empire, to persist to the present? Would they become Hellenized at some point? How would their presence affect the development of Europe down the centuries?
 
"Persist to the present" is always an incredibly difficult thing, but somehow you'd have to butterfly the rise of various Turkic peoples on the steppe (and any other language group that might arise) then you have to ensure that the Slavs never gain traction in the region.

With an early enough PoD it's certainly plausible but such a people would undergo significant changes regardless over time. Having them be conquered by Persia doesn't seem to help much IMO - such a conquest would be short lived and meaningless in the long term. Also I don't believe even the most wanked Persian Empire ever could extend into Ukraine much beyond the coast. The key is ensuring that various other ethnic groups don't rise to prominence.

I doubt it would be easy to get them to Hellenize more than OTL Ukraine, even if you're casting a wide butterfly net of some sort.
 
How about the Crimean Peninsula as a surviving relic of the Sarmatians/Scythians, with Ossetian migration from Caucasus as the most recent wave?
 
An Iranic-speaking tribal group, either near the Roman Empire and thus West of the Ukraine (like the Roxolani) or near the Sassanid Empire and thus East of the Ukraine (like the Alans) pulls an ethnogenesis and state-formation like that of the Franks, thereby absorbing various other groups, in which achieve dominance through some military innovation (stirrups?). They carve lands out of aforementioned empire or are alotted them as vassals / foederati / satraps / clients, plus they control the steppe where they came from, and much more of that steppe, extending into Ukraine. They acculturate faster than OTL Franks (more like OTL Noricans) to said civilization, and develop their own distinct variety, with a splendid capital like Atil of OTL´s Chasars. Their military strength allows them to defeat and absorb the equally Iranian-speaking Huns (and Avars, if their confederacy isn`t butterflied away).
They adapt irrigation technologies and transform parts of the Ukrainian steppe into arable land (it´s very fertile soil!) when population pressure becomes too high. Arriving Slavs are defeated and either enslaved or hired as labourers on the new agricultural fields; these Slavs adopt the Roxolan / Alan language over time, which in turn has absorbed some Greek influences itself, but not so much that it would have lost its linguistic affiliation to the Indo-Iranian language group.
This empire keeps other Slavic principalities as vassal states and practices shifting alliances with whatever is left of the Roman and Sasanian Empires, and later also with the states of the Muslims, if they still emerge.
Having grown in population numbers considerably, they fend the Göktürks and other Turkic confederacies off easily. Magyars and other Uralic tribes, like various Turkic tribes, are assimilating to this Pan-Pontic Empire.
The Mongols are best butterflied away; if not, well... hm, I guess after another millennium of Iranian cultural and linguistic dominance, the Ukraine would be left with an Iranian-speaking majority even if their empire is shattered by the Mongols and new polities emerge on its territory, even if these new polities have non-Iranian speaking upper classes.
 
I really don't see any way realistic for the Persians to establish a deep and lasting presence, unless we are talking about a centuries-long enterprise by a much-longer surviving Achaemenid Empire, and even there, it's a strech.
 
In classical times, southern Ukraine was populated by nomadic Iranic-speaking peoples like the Scythians and Sarmatians, and at one point was occupied by the army of Darius I, who campaigned against the Scythians.

What would it take for this population, perhaps formally conquered by the Persian Empire, to persist to the present? Would they become Hellenized at some point? How would their presence affect the development of Europe down the centuries?

Maybe let the Alans settle there in great numbers and call it Alania.
 
Medieval Turcic migrations basically changed everyting and the Mongols finished it off. Prior to that there's plenty of Alans around, for example, and they form an important part of Russian princes' armies.

Crimea as a place for relict linguistic groups is good but not as good as the Caucasus.

And honestly, I can't think of a good way to either stop or redirect Turcic migrations.
 
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