Iranian Fraticide a TL

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The welfare system would be a combo of handouts, a universal health care system, and a universal school system based on 10 grades, and the higher education would not be based on wealth but on passing a test. This however needed money and so it was opposed by the black faction it was made up of three parties{ Aryamehr ,Iranian National Party, and the Party of Islam}. The tenets of this party were national conservative, and anti immigrant, usually Jews and Slavs who went to work on the railroads. The Noble classes opposed this too,and plotted to replace him by his brother Ali ,he was a reactionary, and hated his brother ,and his wife. He was a what we could call a ultranationalist, and a douche. He had a idea of a putsch that would restore the monarchy, to an absolutist form. The coup would take place on September 3, 1871,the shah’s birthday, and when the liberal general Darya Shirazi heard about the planned coup involving the black faction , through a drunk general.

He had told the Imperial Guard, and the navy about the planned coup, During the shah’s birthday the shah was suppose to travel around Iran from Baku to Bukhara, but he stayed home due to his wife‘s illness. So they rigged the shah’s private train car with the First minister in it with 200 lbs of TNT in it. The train ride began, and it ran for 30 minutes until it blew up, and the military will be on Shiraz, and Isfahan. What they didn’t know that Darya began to fortify those cities with the imperial guard units, and a make shift military considering the circumstances. The coup planners only brought a few cannons; not planning for an actual war it was just to scare the Shah to abdicate. The generals were shocked when they saw 25,000 men armed with guns with 12,000 imperial guards that bought several cannons, and rockets in both cities, Darya also spread the news among the working class, and small landowners, they brought even more peasants to surround the coup planners.

When they fetched the shah, and told him of his brother’s coup. He ordered the rest of the military not loyal to Ali to arrest him, and execute him. The coup planners knew that they were screwed, so they had to beg the shah not to killed them, and they begged but the pleas fell on deaf ears. Abbas the IV ordered the arrest of the military officers ,and anyone in the plot, that included most of the nobles, some of the clergy ,and a sprinkle of Big businessmen. When the trials, and executions ended in 1873 the black faction was destroyed due to most of their supporters being discredited. The new party that swept the election was called Tudeh, and the People’s party of the green faction. They pushed the reforms of the shah, but added even more reforms for factory workers like a minimum wage, 8 hours workday, no child labor,and the right to form unions. They would also regulate the banking industries, break up several monopolies, and brought several rights for the poor.


In 1874 a war loomed with China, and Siam they fought over a trade dispute, the Chinese had 70,000 men with guns, and some cannon the Qing had been modernizing after a war with Russia in which the Russians seized outer Manchuria,for a port on the pacific ,and a quick war for the masses. Due to the Qing's weak,and outdated armies,they got beaten badly. A flu epidemic was the cause of china's weakness at that time crop seasons.,and several that were very bad The Emperor signed the treaty of Beijing which ceded Outer Manchuria to Russia. Afterwards the Emperor began to modernize china by changing the civil service system, abolishing the 8 banner armies, outlawing the queue, and beginning to Industrialization, the Daquang restoration as it would be called changed china from backward to modern.
 
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In 1874 a war loomed with China, and Siam they fought over a trade dispute, the Chinese had 70,000 men with guns, and some cannon the Qing had been modernizing after a war with Russia in which the Russians sacked Manchuria, and Beijing, and killed 75% of the imperial court The Emperor signed the treaty of Beijing which ceded Manchuria to Russia. Afterwards the Emperor began to modernize china by changing the civil service system, abolishing the 8 banner armies, outlawing the queue, and beginning to Industrialization, the Daquang restoration as it would be called changed china from backward to modern.
:confused:How on earth do the Russians get an army that size all the way to China without a) starving to death and b) running out of ammunition.
 
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woah now how the hell did the Russians get so far, do you know the distance, also It is unlikely for Bejing to be sacked the Chinese pop dwarfs Russia which is mostly Siberia, The soldiers will run out of ammunition be in hostile territory, My god it's worse than Hitler thinking he could conquer India and Persia as well as Russia logistically it's impossible, Plz Erich don't become a troll you write good tls but don't troll....:(:(
 

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Is an Asian Tripartite pact of China,India,and Persia too ASB?
 

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The Chinese-Siam war was one of China’s stepping points into a major power, while Siam’s armies were modern also, with assistance from UK. China got assistance from Persia, and India hoping to create an alliance of the Lion, Elephant, and the Dragon. The Imperial council of China considered this offer by the PM Uzi Meshulam of the 3rd generation of Iranian Jews from Isfahan The son of a Factory manager, he wanted to join the political world, due to the demise of the black faction after the failed coup. The opposition was more moderate than the black faction. The war in the Far East was a stalemate due to the Siamese adoption of stealth, and hit-run tactics. The Chinese could beat the Siamese troops in a firefight easily, but couldn’t find a Cannae that would finish them off. It was 1876 when Liu Bangui the new commander of the Chinese in Siam, put a old tactic. The tactic was a scorched earth policy in which they would light the jungle on fire. It forced the Siamese army to fight in open places in which that were defeated in the Shan states. Rama V knew that he was screwed, and that the Chinese would turn Siam into a vassal state he feared that the same would happen to Siam, the same thing that happened to Japan with England, and France. He signed the treaty of Shanghai which ceded Shan to the Qing. In Japan a failed coup attempt by the imperialists, brought Tokugawa Youta into power. Youta a reactionary believed that the foreigners, would be bad for Japan in general. He reasserted the Sakoku policy of his fathers, but in 1877 a joint Sino-Indian fleet led a trade mission for opening trade with Japan.

The New alliance between India, Persia, and China it was approved in 1875 by the three countries. Iran brought several traders, and diplomats on the ships of the Indians, and Chinese. When they tried to land in Yokohama they were fired upon by cannons. One of the cannons shot hit Prince Amir the Khan of Bukhara, he was the shah’s cousin was killed by that shot, so the superior gunships fired back.

They left Yokohama to Aceh were getting a message to their respective governments by wiremail[1] the message was Prince Amir of Persia is dead. The Shah was grieving over his wife recent death from cancer. She had a beautiful smile, a bright personality of youth. She was like a Goddess to him of sorts, and she had as many charities,as kids. When the government decided to send him the wiregram after a he had sobered up. He responded to an aide “have we declared war”? The aide simply said yes. Abbas always had that violent temper in him,he would always direct that rage at the servants, not his wife. He yelled ”Amir Shall be avenged!”
{1} OTL Telegram
 

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Oba Ewaka II knew that he had several peoples under his command, His processors in the 16th ,and 17th century had avoided the slave trade by telling the Europeans about others, and using bribery, and other ways. His Empire west, and 5 years ago he went to Europe, and everything he saw he wanted to apply to Benin. He brought in several advisors from everywhere to modernize his Empire. He saw how other African states were being vassalized by Europe. The reforms were only involving the military, and economics. The political reforms like democracy would have to wait until the future. He knew that he needed to find a money source for it, so he started to export stuff beside palm oil. By 1887 the Benin military was 34,000 strong with a discipline similar to the British army. Its navy had 10 ships with men, they were really fishing boats with guns. There was a little industry in Benin mainly textile, and food processing. In 1889 the British signed a treaty with Benin making it a protectorate. The Benin Government thought it was a trade agreement, and did not recognize the British version, and it went to war. The British thought it was a joke they curb stomped several African tribes before, and they thought that it would be easy.
The 10,000 men led by a Welshmen named Steven McNeil were part of the Invasion force that was sent in to enforce the Treaty. The Benin army knew that they would come in the south ,so when the British landed in their southern colonies in what they would call Nigeria. The policy of the army was surround them, and wait for the right moment to strike until their was enough men to overwhelm them. On May 6, 1888 after 4 months of waiting, and small firefights they finally attacked with 40,000 army soldiers, and 5,000 irregulars at night. The British weren’t even up yet, and they got massacred to a man. When the British got back to their ships they were scared, and retreated to London. The treaty of Benin was signed in June making the old treaty obsolete, and solidified Benin’s control of the Niger Delta, and Central Nigeria after the treaty. He tried to modernize more of Benin because of paranoia of Colonization from various powers, the Oba would be poisoned by some nobles who opposed his modernizing ideas. His son was Installed as a puppet, however he had more than one trick up his sleeve.

Abbas‘s son was now called Shapur I after the Shahs of old, he heard of this African nation that had beaten England. His Government sent diplomats to this new power, and he signed a trade agreement with Benin, entailing that they would put no tariffs on their goods from Benin. The Oba agreed with it. By 1895 the scramble for Africa was complete with only Benin, and Ethiopia not colonized by Europe. In North America the American city-states were weaker, and got the Kingdom of Louisiana angry because of a trade dispute between them, and the cities states got handily defeated after several battles the militiamen gave up, and went home. The treaty of New Orleans ceded from America their western territories.

After New England got Annexed by Canada in the War of 1850, the cities were broke, and most of them were oligarchies that took money, and were very corrupt. One leader Steven Woodrow Wilson took money from the Aristocracy, and used it for his home. The Americans were bickering divided by region, and easy prey for large powers. In the Carolinas, and Georgia poor whites, and slaves escaped their poverty by traveling beyond the Appalachians. It worked by the Barter system, the travelers used everything to gain a guide or mountain wolf as they would be called they were cruel without mercy, the usual method of payment was free travel across, and then find a job. After that they would pay a certain amount of money per month for about 10-12 years depending on the amount.


In Iran there was a debate on flying machines, and it was said that it was only possible in books. The detractors included almost everyone from farmers to rich men. Everyone except a Parsi , a imam, and a Russian. Sergei Alexandrovich Matov , a engineer from the University of Moscow he was a curious man of 22 years in the field of Turbines, and Engines. When he went to Tehran for Economic purposes, and fear of persecution by the police,and His original name was Isak Feldman a Jew from Omsk. He had fled after several pogroms killed most of his family. He, and his sister fled to Tehran where they met an Imam called Hassan Reza. Hassan was a very strange man, he had met Sergei, and Sergei’s sister Irina on the streets of Roughmen Row a street for excons, and unlucky men. He did some charity work in Roughmen Row when he talked with Irina. He had seen women that were prostitutes in there.


This girl had a weird limp from an old injury. He had asked around the row, about them. He basically concluded that those two people. They were on hard times, due to their poor command of Farsi. He had met Sergei in a shantytown, and they talked about science, and flying. The men talked about flying designs life, and food. He showed a design to Sergei that had two bird wings attached by wood, and nails. They would be known as the odd couple in Iranian aeronautics; however the funds for building a plane were not there. However a Parsi with a lot of cash heard about the design, and funded those men now called SeHa. However the men founded a dream of flight, in 1895 after 10 years the plane called the Iron Bird in August,6 1895. They recorded it with cameras ,and were approved by the International Aeronautics League in Paris.
 

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In the Veldt of South Africa the Boers of the South African Republic, were leaning on Bavaria who had just united the German State after defeating Prussia in 1894. The last Prussian King Heinrich spent all the Government’s money on fairytale castles, and wasted the defense budget on booze, and yacht trips. The Prussian military repeat tried to fight them off. By 1895 The Bavarian King Georg VII became Kaiser of the Germans with a booming economy, and the military was medium sized. The current Constitution of the Germans was more democratic and liberal than the Boers would like, but they needed any ally that they could get. The Boers would get weapons from every source in Europe, and their tactics were more like an insurgency, than a conventional war. The British aided the Dutch when things became tough in Crown colony of the Dutch. The Kommandos were growing in strength ,and it became unbearable for the two allies to pursue it anymore. The Boers would win in the battles in the cape by acting like guerillas until the battle of Cape town where the Kommandos led by Jacques Karel Dormann ,and various other leaders of the republic, besieged Cape town for six months before the Dutch commander Johan Schmidt surrendered to the Boers. The Boer war was a disaster for the Dutch ,and the British, they lost blood ,and treasure ,and radicals were making politics hard in Amsterdam ,and London. They were Christian Collectivism led by a certain John Maxwell. His Ideas were the basis of the Christian Manifesto, which states that Jesus was a Collectivist, and the Capitalists misused his ideas. It states that free love, with socialism will bring peace, and prosperity to the world. It became an ideology that would gain a following in Greece, and devout Christian people in the world.
The Afrikaner State was racist, and instated the sonvrugbare grond policy where they gave the various African tribes land but they were far from the various white cities ,and bad lands. Some of the Africans could work as laborers in the big city with a special pass, and the jobs were low paying, and they moved into ghettos. The ZAR was a police state even though the constitution permitted freedom of speech and all other stuff like that. It was controlled by the Voortrekker elite, or their descendants .

In the Mexican Dominion of Spain a new invention was made that changed the world,it was called the windspeaker it would be used for long distance commutation ,but it was a big device taking up a room to broadcast messages in the air. By 1915 windspeakers were on planes , cars,and miniwinds were in every home. In Poland the country had many ethnic minorities Russian, various Baltic peoples, and Ukrainians. Basically it was a hodgepodge of different ethnic groups all wanting their state. The main organization of the PLC was only Polish, and Lithuanian mainly. They were tolerant of the other minorities, but the Russians,and the German governments funded many national groups. There was one group called bloody hand composed of the Ukrainians, and Russians of the Empire. Russia secretly supported bloody hand, by supporting the Pan-Slavic movement. Russia at this time was comparable strong, but weak in comparison with Poland, the Ottomans, and Iran. The Tsar Michael III was ambitious similar with past Tsars, but he was also founding the new cities of Alaska, and those were a bright spot filled with gold. The Russian Tsar ruled as a semi-autocrat. He tried to make good relations with Poland by being good friends with Crown Prince Feilks, and his wife Sophia. He was kept in the dark due to his poor health. He put all decision making to his younger brother Grand Duke Nicholas age 25 ,the tsar had a weak immune system ,and was pretty oblivious ,and did not know of the assassination plot that would start a Great War with Poland, and Russia in different spots.
 

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bump this TL will update soon,due to computer crashing
 

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A World at war

Stefan IIyich Domov had an plan to assassinate the crown prince of Poland they would steal a machine gun from the Armory in Kiev by 5disguising us as guradsmen. “But the damn idiots couldn't steal one,but luckly they stole this the new Wz.40 submachine guns for four of us exactly". The plot would have to change a little ,but soon all Orthodox slavs will be free of tyranny of polishness. He thought of a great state for Russians white,and small. The date was sep.15 1905 ,when he would come to ukranian shipyards to see the fifth Courbet{1}. The Next day the trap was set on the Imperial carriage ,first two men fired at feliks,and turned left to see two more men firing an hail of bullets,at them. Both of them got the kill shots.The heirs of Poland layed dead,and Domov 15 minutes later got shot by a police officer named Lev Scawerz .

After that the Polish government had sent diplomats to try to defuse the situation when that got them nowhere due to Russia's arrogance ,and refusal to Investigate the bloody hand. Poland sent an ultimatum investigate the bloody hand or war. The Russian foreign minister Vladimir Zinoiev thought the polish were bluffing ,and rebuffed the offer. After the Rebuffed offer,the Poles fully mobilized for war. Within 2-weeks the Europeans mobilzed.

Now in this war there were two sides The Entente Poland France,and the Central powers Russia,and Austria. This powder keg would affect the world soon.
 
Hmm..... At first I had doubts but I can see this tl working. Good job plz continue.:) I honestly do not know much about the east at this time period so I can't really comment:( However I will follow. The only parts about the east that I know is the Mughal empire fall and the Rise of Russia. Otherwise I'm pretty clueless about 16-19th century Asian politics:)
 

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In the first continental war [1905-1909] Iran tried to stay neutral,The government of Safi Goleistani tried to play the both sides, trying to get the best deal. He builted up the military on the Russian,and Ottoman borders,not knowing how they would react. He also expanded the Air Corps by the end of 1906 he had 4 wings of planes ready. 2 fighter wings of the HESA Shahshir which was heavily armed with 2 7.62 mm machine guns 1 bomber wing of Saehaq bombers. ,and 1 recon unit. He also recommited the Mughal ,and Qing alliance of 1870 extending it to 1938. The ottomans were paranoid about getting in a war on both sides with enemines like Russia,and Iran. PM Golestani approached the Polish,and France about sending volunteers on the eastern front for training purposes. This soon became basis of war for the ottomans. The current Pasha Mustapha Ibrahim was faced with the fact that the Iranians were in bed with the poles ,and the french. He decided to make a unholy allance of Russia,and Austria, when he told the sultian,and government officals,they wanted the protection of the eternal state.

In Jan.1906 This condrum of allances resulted in a world spilt in two on one side stood France,and Poland with Persia, on the Other stood Russia,Austria,and the ottomans. Shapur now 46 managed to convince his Father in law Padishah Akbar XV to go to war,and the Guangxu Emperor to declare war to settle land claims,like outer manchuria .After 4 months of debate in each of the allies parlements they formalled declared war. On the forunt lines Iran was in a stalement on both fronts with no hope of victory when the mughal declared war.

The Russian front got a new dimension due to the chinese invasion of Outer Manchuria led by Yuan Dhang of the 15th corps they was several men dying on the front,and the front was reduced to endless bloodbath,when Dhang proposed an actual siege of Vladivostok. The plan was using 5 corps ,and half of the northern fleet to ferry troops. In the Xinjiang front it was mainly cavalry Cossacks against Uyghur,and Hui horsemen. The front was mainly small scale,short firefights with dogfights in the air.
 

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Reza Khan Baki of SAVAK had a idea of sorts, he knew the Ottomans were not weak or a sick man,but he knew that the Realm of Osman had many ethnic minorities like the Greeks ,and Arabs that could revolt but most of military didn’t believe it could work due to their strength, unity. However he had another idea attack the Bosporus to take out Turkey very quickly in the war in 6 months,so they could concentrate their forces. He contacted his counterparts in France,and Poland.

In the pacific theater the siege of Vladivostok was bloodly for both sides,but the Chinese had it surrounded but by Feb 1907 the Vladivostok garrison of 50,000 men under Lt. Stephen Von Weissmann surrendered on March 10th which at the same time the Dardanelles offensive began to shut down the straits began headed by Jacques Bennet ,sailed to the Dardanelles to cut off the Ottomans and to distract them from the final plan the Invasion of Iraq.

In France they had a new implement for war called Armoured tractors because they using tractor tracks with a plane engine with a 30 mm cannon or a 7.62 mm machine gun It was called FT06,and they brought them to Poland,and Iran for them to make. The French Army ordered 1,700 tanks by the end of the war. The new offensives in Iraq, and the dardellnes went ahead weeks apart ,the Darnelles one began with bombing shelling of Gallipoli then landing 10,000 men to close the striat however that didn’t go to well ,and by the end of the week 5,000 men died ,and they retreated back to mariselles.


The Iranian Invasion of Iraq, and Kuwait was launched on December 6, 1907,and it was called Golden Lion had 200,000 men ,and 500 planes. The offensive was led by a Iranian commander , Lt General Uzi Gilani. The plan was secure Basra, Kuwait, Mosul,Baghdad in 6 months,and the rest of the year to liberate the rest. SAVAK had an idea to distract the Ottomans incite a Greek revolt to hopefully distract them enough from the Invasion. They didn’t work out because the Turks built an Ottoman Idenity in the Balkans ,and few people wanted to revolt. The siege of Basra was major in the beginning of the offensive ,rockets flared in the city the ottoman garrison led by Lt col Bayezid Ali was heavily outnumbered ,and outgunned. He had ordered his men to fight until they died. The defenders were surrounded ,and when ammo ran out they used rocks ,and bricks. The 54th ,55th division lost 80% percent before retreating outside the city ,went to Kuwait City to fend off a Persian Invasion on New Year day ‘s which they retreated to central Iraq , Amir Noori commander of the 24th Imperial Cavalry had been chasing Ottomans through southern Iraq like child’s play when he got ambushed by a Cavalry unit. He fought them with his Shamshir,but he killed three men ,and after he got shot,and died in battle ,and was posthumously awarded the Abbas Cresent.
 
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no comments? not even one on Iraq invasion


Well It is getting interesting. I am following this tl but the only
problem is how the heck do the Iranians harm the Ottomans. The Ottomans may be the sick man of Europe but that is in relation to Europeans, compared to other Muslims the ottoman army would wipe the floor with Iran. Iran
A) does not hav the manpower
B)in all of Ottoman history the only time provinces revolted was if it was influe nced by an outside power.
C) the Logistics of siezing the whole Ottoman empire are ASB due to it's vast size.
D) by the Crimean war Britain had industries in the Ottoman empire and would not allow it to crumble as of now.

Sry man this invasion is ASB. However you could make it plausable if and only if the Ottomans were stuck in a major wa against major Euro powers like Russia, Britain, France, Austria Hungary, or Germany.:) Then I could see a plausable invasion:)
 

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Reza Khan Baki of SAVAK had a idea of sorts, he knew the Ottomans were not weak or a sick man,but he knew that the Realm of Osman had many ethnic minorities like the Greeks ,and Arabs that could revolt but most of military didn’t believe it could work due to their strength, unity. The French however picked up on a Greco-Arab revolt from Pierre Chanson. ,The French dumped him ,and brought him to Ali , Sharif of Mecca ,he promised an Arab state from Aleppo to Aden. His Grecian counterpart Sarie D’Anjou met with Theodore Eillkas a Greek nationalist in Morea. They had 15,000 Arab warriors under Ali were not the best type of men for a up stranrad battle, in Greece they adopted gurella warfare to attack the ottomans they also adopted the same tactics in Arabia attacking supplies tying regiments in different passes in the Balkans,and Arabia.

In Germany they were neutral, but were friendly with both sides, and their government was pro French. They knew that they would be a drag to the allies but they allowed Franco-polish arms,fuel to cross German lines. The Bavarian military had a 200,000 man army with an medium sized navy, and 3 squads of aircraft. The Polish offensive of the Carpathians took Austrian Romania now they could go north ,and strike hungary with ease ,but now the Polish could strike the ottomans with ease, the Austrian government tried to dislodge them from their vital position but to no avail. The Polish could now attack the ottomans to help their Iranian allies against their ottoman nemesis. They launched operation Hussar on June 15 while the ottomans were busy in Arabia , Greece ,and Iraq. Ali Pasha tried to fend off them but he wrote to Constantinople “ defeat is inevitable, we are surrounded”.

In the pacific theater the siege of Vladivostok was bloodly for both sides,but the Chinese had it surrounded but by Feb 1909 the Vladivostok garrison of 50,000 men under Lt. Stephen Von Weissmann surrendered on March 10th which at the same time the Dardanelles offensive began to shut down the straits began headed by Jacques Bennet ,sailed to the Dardanelles to cut off the Ottomans and to distract them from the final plan the Invasion of Iraq.
In France they had a new implement for war called Armoured tractors because they using tractor tracks with a plane engine with a 30 mm cannon or a 7.62 mm machine gun It was called FT06,and they brought them to Poland,and Iran for them to make. The French Army ordered 1,700 tanks by the end of the war. The new offensives in Iraq, and the dardellnes went ahead weeks apart ,the Darnelles one began with bombing shelling of Gallipoli then landing 10,000 men to close the strait however that didn’t go to well ,and by the end of the week 5,000 men died ,and they retreated back to Marseilles.


The Iranian Invasion of Iraq, and Kuwait was launched on June 6, 1909,and it was called Golden Lion had 200,000 men ,and 500 planes. The offensive was led by a Iranian commander , Lt General Uzi Gilani. The plan was secure Basra, Kuwait, Mosul,Baghdad in 6 months,and the rest of the year to liberate the rest of Iraq. SAVAK had an idea to distract the Ottomans incite a Greek revolt to hopefully distract them enough from the Invasion. They didn’t work out because the Turks built an Ottoman Idenity in the Balkans ,and few people wanted to revolt. The siege of Basra was major in the beginning of the offensive ,rockets flared in the city the ottoman garrison led by Lt col Bayezid Ali was heavily outnumbered ,and outgunned. He had ordered his men to fight until they died. The defenders were surrounded ,and when ammo ran out they used rocks ,and bricks. The 54th ,55th division lost 80% percent before retreating outside the city ,went to Kuwait City to fend off a Persian Invasion on New Year day ‘s which they retreated to central Iraq , Amir Noori commander of the 24th Imperial Cavalry had been chasing Ottomans through southern Iraq like child’s play when he got ambushed by a Cavalry unit. He fought them with his Shamshir,but he killed three men ,and after he got shot,and died in battle ,and was posthumously awarded the Abbas Cresent.
 
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