Iran Victory in Iran-Iraq War
- Thread starter LacheyS
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AFAIR neither side of the Cold War would have been prepared to countenance Iranian control over Iraq, so the best that could be hoped for would be a slightly harsher peace settlement. Full Iranian control over the waterways, a demilitarised zone and heavy reparations is my guess. Iran had practically won the ground war towards the end, only Iraq's missiles and the US fleet in the Gulf (making its preferences quite clear) prevented outright defeat.
Of couerse, Gulf I isn't the kind of war you *win*, strictly speaking.
Of couerse, Gulf I isn't the kind of war you *win*, strictly speaking.
Well if Reagan and USSR suddenly don't care, the Iranians will simply depose Saddam and install a leader more friendly to them and give Iraq's Kurds Independence and force their Kurds to move there or shut up.
Turkey will either A) realize its a good deal and force its own Kurds into it, or B) go to war and get bitch slapped by Iran.
Either way Iran comes out of this much stronger without having to spend a decade rebuilding its military, so they reform a lot quicker and with more of its U.S. Arsenal intact, though the U.S. and Grumman will continue to lie about Iran's true capabilities to Congress, they had already told so many lies about what was sold to Iran that they are screwed if it ever comes to light.
Think Iran Contra was bad, it was just one small conspiracy hiding several larger ones.
Turkey will either A) realize its a good deal and force its own Kurds into it, or B) go to war and get bitch slapped by Iran.
Either way Iran comes out of this much stronger without having to spend a decade rebuilding its military, so they reform a lot quicker and with more of its U.S. Arsenal intact, though the U.S. and Grumman will continue to lie about Iran's true capabilities to Congress, they had already told so many lies about what was sold to Iran that they are screwed if it ever comes to light.
Think Iran Contra was bad, it was just one small conspiracy hiding several larger ones.
Rockingham
Banned
id think a puppet in the south, annexing it would result in war onit by usa and quite possibly ussr, in coalition(relation were beginning to thaw about then), independant kurdistan
what a moronic idea, iran is to stubborn for that, it considers it kurds to be just rebellious different language iranians, that would be seen as backing down to the kurds(giving them independant state.
what a moronic idea, iran is to stubborn for that, it considers it kurds to be just rebellious different language iranians, that would be seen as backing down to the kurds(giving them independant state.They have no problems with the de facto Kurdish Republic in Northern Iraq.
Well, if they did, what would they do about it? They can't properly attack, or anything. If they want to destabilize Iraq, right now, it wouldn't help to attack the Kurds. That'd just strengthen US support there.
Abdul Hadi Pasha
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Are you kidding? Turkey could have beaten both Iraq and Iran simultaneously. After an 8 year war, a war between Turkey and Iran would have lasted about a week.
There is no possible way that Iran would establish an independent Kurdish state. Why on earth would they ever do that? There is a large Kurdish population in Iran, and it's directly adjacent to Iraqi Kurdistan - and if they tried, they would be invaded by Turkey.
If the Iranians were allowed to win that decisively, they would just put a Shia regime in power and call it a day.
There is no possible way that Iran would establish an independent Kurdish state. Why on earth would they ever do that? There is a large Kurdish population in Iran, and it's directly adjacent to Iraqi Kurdistan - and if they tried, they would be invaded by Turkey.
If the Iranians were allowed to win that decisively, they would just put a Shia regime in power and call it a day.
Rockingham
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de-facto maybe, so long as its firmly under their dominance and can cause no trouble, but i think they would much prefer to put them under the shite government
Oh yeah, forgot to respond to that part of his post.
I'm sure Turkey could handle itself on its own as it is, but 4 letters (N, A, T, and O) mean that Turkey's not likely to lose any war to Iran anytime soon.
No, I am not. Iran has fully operational F-14s and AIM-54s which will make mincemeat out of any planes that meet them and send them running, they also have the Industrial base to support them and in flight refueling.
IRIAF also has the best trained Airforce in the ME, the Shah spared no expense in training and securing the best weapons for IRIAF and the Mullahs have continued that.
Then why have they opened up trade ties and military liaison with them?The Iranians see no problem with a Kurdistan in Northern Iraq, it gives them leverage over Iraq and Turkey.
Abdul Hadi Pasha
Banned
You're just wrong. The Turkish military was superior to the Iranian's in every conceivable category in the era of the Iran-Iraq war. A handful of partless F-14s is not a match for a highly trained and motivated military, which also possessed modern arms, BTW. Before the end of the Iran-Iraq war Turkey was producing it's own F-16s under license.
It's not that you're slightly off about this - Turkey is not slightly militarily superior to Iran, or even significantly superior - it is overwhelmingly superior. It took Iran eight years, or double the duration of WWII, for Iran to gain the upper hand against Iraq, a fairly weak country. In it's depleted state after this war, Iran would be a cakewalk for Turkey. I don't recall the F-14s having been of particularly great use against the Iraqi army.
It's not that you're slightly off about this - Turkey is not slightly militarily superior to Iran, or even significantly superior - it is overwhelmingly superior. It took Iran eight years, or double the duration of WWII, for Iran to gain the upper hand against Iraq, a fairly weak country. In it's depleted state after this war, Iran would be a cakewalk for Turkey. I don't recall the F-14s having been of particularly great use against the Iraqi army.
Abdul Hadi Pasha
Banned
The Iranians see no problem with a Kurdistan in Northern Iraq, it gives them leverage over Iraq and Turkey.
I'm not sure what your argument is. Turkey has trade ties with Northern Iraq too - cutting yourself off from someplace is not the best way to increase your influence there.
I also don't understand this idea that Turkey is just eager to attack any or all of the neighbors. Northern Iraq, as a last resort and under PKK provocation, probably. Major wars of conquest, no.