Invittissima: The Rebirth of the Venetian Republic

And thus it begins: I've returned to AH.com!

Here is the piece that I've been working on for the past few months: Invittissima.

Invittissima, to give some background, begins during the Five Days of Milan, one of many revolts against the Hapsburg Empire centring in the province of Lombard-Venetia. During this revolt, a crucial Austrian General dies, and his successors are unable to contain the nationalist revolutions sprouting around the Empire. As the situation progresses, the Empire falls and three of its successor states-Venice, Dalmatia, and Hungary-fill the vacuum left by Austria. This, presented in the form of both a timeline and some ATL academic presentations, is the story of a world with no Austrian empire and a powerful revolutionary strain spreading in its place.

Please enjoy, and know that all comments and criticisms are well appreciated. Thanks!
-Askelion
 
Invittisima: The Rebirth of the Venetian Republic
An Askelion Timeline
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Daniele Manin and the Arsenalotti proclaim the restoration fo the Most Serene Republic of Venice​
 
First Prose Section

Invittissima
The Rebirth of the Venetian Republic
Canto One: Viva San Marco!
Or the Bullet that Killed an Empire

Manin stood quietly outside of the Palazzo Ducale{1}, the waves of the lagoon gently rapping against the edge of the canal. He looked out over the waters, unusually still with the threats of Hapsburg attack looming over the horizon. His flag, the Pan-Italian Tricolore flew from windows and government buildings, defaced with the Lion of Saint Mark, proudly reminding the people of Venice of their regal history. It had been a week since the Repubblica di San Marco {2} had declared independence from the oppressive Austrian Empire {3}, and he was less than sure of his prospects. None of the Arsenalotti {4} had expected the Austrian opposition to be as dedicated as it had, and Manin was having trouble developing a plan to retain the sovereignty of the Republic. Many ideas were circulating among the leaders of the revolutionaries in Venice, and Manin was slowly finding that he was better suited to the role of Philosopher than that of Dictator {5}.

He was being urged by his cabinet to escalate the conflict. The Austrian Fleet was housed in the former Venetian territory of Imola at the City of Pola, with both the locals and those Italians in Imperial service asking for Manin's permission to seize it and bring it to Venice under Republican Control. Other high-ranking officers in the Imperial Army of Italian descent were calling for an uprising against their Austrian masters, and offered their fealty to the Republic if Manin desired such an action to be taken. He wheezed and coughed{6} as he entertained the thought of resigning from his post, or of surrendering the republic to the ever-growing Kingdom of Sardinia-Piedmont {7}and hope for some sort of cohesive Italian Unification to take place under the House of Savoy {8}. The thoughts racing through his mind were joined by a loud crashing sound, followed instantly by an Assassin's bullet {9}.

The Dictator fell to the pavement in a heap, screams of 'Aiuto!' and 'Uccisore!' echoing through the Serenissima {10}. The bells began to toll in a dull tone, and the Civil Guard raced through the streets, searching for the murderer. Daniele Manin, the Father of the New Republic, was dead.

The reaction seemed instantaneous. Giovanni Francesco Avesani became the second President of the Provisional Government, and enraged at the death of his friend Manin, called for revolt among Italians in Imperial Service, and condoned the seizing of the fleet at Pola. Austrian Field Marshal Julius Jacob Von Haynau watched as entire units of his force rebelled against him, outraged at the death of the young Manin and emboldened by the Republic's support. Thousands of civillians from around also rallied to the flag of the Republic, with others swelling the ranks of Giuseppi Mazzini's Milanese Volunteer forces as well. Things were getting worse for the Austrians, with the Revolutions of 1848 erupting across their entire empire. The desperate Haynau, with his exposed army facing progressivelly worse odds against the swelling Italian forces, joined now by forces from the Kingdom of Two Sicilies, Grand Duchy of Tuscany, and Papal States, signed a treaty with the Piedmontese and Venetians, ceding Milan {11} to the former and recognizing the latter's independence. On the 6th of April, 1848 The Invictissima Repubblica di Venezia was officially declared a sovereign state, and was recognized worldwide.

All of this, however, would not have been possible if not for the lucky shot of one angry civillian.

From the 18th of March through the 22nd of 1848, the former Duchy of Milan, under Austrian control since the end of the Napolonic Wars, revolted against their opressors in Vienna, electing a Provisional Government and expelling the Imperial garrisson there. The revolt was crushed thoroughly due to the expert command of the venerable Austrian Field Marshal Joseph Radetzky {12}, who was a powerful and wise leader despite his advanced age. The Marshal, however, was struck by a dissenter's bullet during a procession through Milan ironically meant to celebrate his victory. His arm, where the bullet struck, soon became infected and was amputated. The elderly commander died during the night, his heart unable to withstand the shock of the surgery. There are some who would go on to say that, without Radetzky, the Austrian effort during the Revolutions of 1848 was doomed from its inception. I wholeheartedly agree with this theory.

-The Opening Pages of the Introduction to:
Viva San Marco! The Birth of the Second Venetian Republic
by Jean DuBois, Dean of History at the University of Montreal

Notations:
{1}The historical residence of the Doges of Venice and the Seat of Venetian Government
{2}The provisional government in charge of the Venetian Revolution, invoking the protection of Saint Mark the Evangelist.
{3}The Hapsburg Empire gained control over Milan and Venice after the Napoleonic Wars.
{4}Shorthand for the leaders of the Venetian Revolution, equivalent to the term 'Founding Fathers' in the US.
{5}Manin was granted emergency powers for the duration of the rebellion against Austria, and was styled either Presidente or Dictatore during that period, rather than the more legitimate Doge or Podesta.
{6}Manin was sickly in 1848, and often confined to his bed.
{7}The territories of the House of Savoy, which would go on to unify Italy under their reign.
{8}See above. The ancient family that reigned over the Italian Duchy of Savoy and the later Kingdoms of Sardinia-Piedmont and Italy.
{9}Without Radetzky's leadership, the Austrian forces neglected to take refuge in the Quadrilatero (a complex of fortresses built by the Austrians to control Milan and Venice) and instead fought a more costly conventional battle with Italian forces. In desperation, the aggressive Haynau had Manin assassinated in the hopes to cutting off the metaphorical head of the Arsenalotti.
{10}A nickname for Venice originating in medieval times, meaning 'the Most Serene'.
{11}Under Austrian control as 'The Kingdom of Lombardy' since the fall of Napoleon.
{12}Historically (in OTL) the commander who led the Imperial Army to victory in putting down the Revolutions of 1848
 
Timeline Part One

Invictissima
The Rebirth of the Venetian Empire
Timeline
(1848-1862)

  • [*]18th-22nd March, 1848:
    The Five Days of Milan occur, consisting of an armed revolt in Lombardy against the Hapsburg rulers of the region. The revolt is crushed by Imperial troops, due mostly to the inspired leadership and unwwavering resolve of Austrian Field Marshal Joseph Radetzky. In the afternoon of the 22nd, several Venetian revolutionaries-the Arsenalotti-overthrow the Austrian authorities in the city and declare the foundation of the Provisional Republic of San Marco. Radetzky wishes to respond immediately, but is pressured by his advisors to march through Milan as a show of authority to the reconquered rebels.
    [*]23rd March, 1848:
    Marshal Radetzky is shot and killed by a revolutionary firing from a window. The attack occurs, ironically, during the venerable General's march of triumph through the streets of Milan. He dies during the early hours of the 24th.
    [*]24th March, 1848:
    The Hapsburg Empire, unable to cope with the numerous revolts against it, accept the Hungarian people's right to self-rule, hoping to eventually reassimilate it after more pressing issues in Vienna have been dealt with {1}. The Kingdom of Hungary is declared.
    [*]25th-30th March, 1848:
    Austrian forces under Field Marshal Julius Von Haynau clash with a force of Milanese, Savoian, Sicilian, and Venetian troops in the Veneto. The Austrians are routed, largely thanks to Haynaus ineffective tactics and underestimation of his enemy. The Austrian cause becomes more desperate, and the Marshal recieves a message from Vienna warning that he is to sign a truce with the Italians and return to crush the rebellion in the Capital. Haynau ignores the order in favor of one, desperate, gambit.
    [*]1st April, 1848:
    Venetian Dictator Daniele Manin is assassinated in Venice. The city erupts in outrage, and the hot-blooded Giovanni Avesani succeeds his old friend Manin. Unlike his predecessor, Avesani has no intent to join a larger Italian state or sign a truce with Austria, and prepares to take action.
    [*]2nd April, 1848-30th April, 1849:
    Avesani and other Italian leaders call for Italian members of the Austrian military to revolt against their leaders in pursuit of the Venetian cause. Revolutionaries seize the entire Imperial Fleet at the port of Pola {2}, and assemble in the Quadrilatero fortress complex. Haynau attacks, but is repulsed easily by the Italian defenders, sustaining heavy losses in the endeavor. The Austrian begins to retreat into Imperial territory, and the Italian forces pursue him. As the Italians cross into Hungary, the revolutionaries there seize the opportunity to declare their much-longed-for independence, and raise an army to join the Italians against the Hapsburgs. Similar forces amass in Illyria as well,the Croats and Slovenes there declare the independence of the Dalmato-Illyrian Federation. A meeting is held on the fifth with the Russian Consulate in Florence, wherein the Russians are offered the northern Hapsburg territories in exchange for not interfering in the revolutions. The Tzar, only to happy to expand his influence in the Balkans, agrees to stay out of the conflict. The Battle of Carinthia, between the Sardinian Army and Haynau's forces, results in a crushing defeat for the Sardinians, but these results are undone by the Battle of South Styria between Haynau and the Revolutionary forces, which is a decisive victory for the rebellion.
    [*]1st-10th May, 1849:
    As Revollutionary armies reach Lower Austria, the Hapsburg government starts to crumble. The situation climaxes in the Siege of Vienna when rebel troops bombard the Hapsburg Capital until the people themselves surrender, offering Emperor Ferdinand to the Rebellion in exchange for their salvation. The war is concluded by the Congress of Milan, the effects of which are attached.{3} From the 5th through the 10th, the Republic of Venice, Republic of Hungary, and Illyrian Federation are recognized by the major European powers, as well as the United States.
    [*]20th May, 1848:
    As the smoke begins to settle after the Fall of the Hapsburg Empire, Avesani meets with Hungarian Prime Minister Sandor Petofi and Illyrian President Ivan Susic in Budapest to discuss the states of their new republics. Avesani confides in the two former revolutionaries that he is being heavily pressured by Sardinia to form a united Italian state, a situation mirrored by Russian involvement in Hungary and Ottoman involvement in Illyria. Petofi in particular notes that the Ottomans have been inciting Transylvanian, Wallachian, and Croatian minorities to attempt to secede and form their own nation states. The three decide, following Avesani's suggestion, that the new republics will need to pool their efforts in order to both fill the vacuum left by the Hapsburgs and to ensure that they do not simply become the pawns of the Great Powers of Europe. The three prepare a document outlining a United Republic to be presented to their respective legislatures and ratified therein.
    [*]21st May-13th June, 1848:
    The Venetian, Hungarian, and Illyrian parliaments pass the Triple Edict of Union, the document that will officially found the United Republic of the Revolutionary Nations Under the Blessed Providence of Saint Mark, thanks to revolutionary vigor and Venetian coins. The world addresses this wordy state in the future as the United Republic, Venice, or Venetia-Hungary.
    [*]15th June, 1848:
    The Flag of the United Republic, designed by the famous British vexilogist Robert 'Rubber Duck' Mallard, is unveiled in Zagreb, which itself is dedicated the new Capital of the United Republic and the home of the United Parliament.
    [*]19th June, 1848:
    The first meeting of the Triumvirate-three representatives of Venice, Illyria, and Hungary, each elected from and by a combined session of the three parliaments to a two year term, who are entrusted with managing the foreign policy, political developments, and military actions of the United Republic.
    [*]23rd-28th June, 1848:
    The United Republic enters into its first alliance, the Pact of Damascus, with the Ottoman Empire. The Pact eliminates tariffs and trade taxes between the two states, particularly in the arena of Mediterranean Trade.
    {1}Concurrent to the other rebellions, the Vienna Revolution is underway.
    {2}A city on the Adriatic coast of Imola that was formerly Venetian.
    {3}A copy of the Congress is in the following post.
    {4}The Lira is the monetary unit of the United Republic, valued at 57% of the value of the British Pound in 1848. The Lira is paid for primarily by the booming Venetian trade economy.
 
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Just to let Everyone Know

The TL will be updated once per week from now until completion!
Next post is on Monday!
-Askelion
 
To be honest, I dont think this peace settlement is very plausible. A mega Venice including Carinthia and Carinola still allows an Illyrian state to be created when it could seize its former territory? Even more, a revolutionary republic created through the merger of Venice, Croatia, and Hungary? After fighting to get their independence and nation state, the people are content to federate with exactly the same partnets, sans Austria and the Slavs? And this new revolutionary nation is not only recognised by all, but buys colonies just weeks after its creation? And direct Russian control over Bohemia and the rest of the northern parts of Austria?

Also, the map is a bit faulty too. Oder-Neisse Line Germany. ;)
 
To be honest, I dont think this peace settlement is very plausible. A mega Venice including Carinthia and Carinola still allows an Illyrian state to be created when it could seize its former territory? Even more, a revolutionary republic created through the merger of Venice, Croatia, and Hungary? After fighting to get their independence and nation state, the people are content to federate with exactly the same partnets, sans Austria and the Slavs? And this new revolutionary nation is not only recognised by all, but buys colonies just weeks after its creation? And direct Russian control over Bohemia and the rest of the northern parts of Austria?

Also, the map is a bit faulty too. Oder-Neisse Line Germany. ;)



Thanks for the quick reply and crit! I appreciate it! I'll adress all the points that I can:
  • The Map is a rough outline. I'm not a mapmaker, and I left 'Germany' the way it is today rather than cut out all of the states. It's intended for scale.
  • Gov't: I should have included this earlier (or in more detail) but each nation here (Illyria, Hungary, and Venice) has an independent government. The UR government only has the power to maintain the army and fleet, settle disputes, dictate foreign policy, and to tax during war time. The Illyrian Federation is just that-a Federation-Croatia and Dalmatia are both states with semi-autonomous governments. This feels better to a people than Absolute Monarchy, no?
  • Venetian Expansionism: Venice, historically, has allowed its subsidiaries a lot of self rule. Much of their historical attitude has been one of relative humility. Their economy effectively allows them to run the Republic, so why would they incite rebellions by (like the Austrians) trying to push their culture on the member states?
  • International Recognition: Europe was tired of Austria's Congress of Vienna, and the Russians made a deal with the Revolutionaries DURING the revolution! With Imola and the Veneto under the control of the UR, and with the fourth (give or take) largest population in Europe, the Great Powers see an opportunity to make a friend where there may have been an enemy before.
  • The Ottomans: Are nervous about rebellions in Bulgaria and Romania, and uncertain about their ability to trade in the Black Sea if those nations become independent. With the Venetian and Ottoman economies so closely tied, the Turks hope to find a potential ally.
  • Purchasing Colonies: The Austrian Gov't Took ~40,000,000 Lira from Venice during 1847. The Revolutionaries took it back, adding a fat reserve to Venice's strong trade-based economy. The Republic is wary to be trapped in the Med, with the decline of the First Republic largely owing to operating only in the Mediterranean and facing competition there. As such, they asked the Dutch for some (relatively) cheap territories. The Dutch agreed. It's only business! ;)
  • The Union: Occured for several reasons: The Illyrians have the Adriatic Ports, Venice has the Fleet, international clout, and 'teh moneyz', and Hungary has a massive population and army. Seperately, they could be manipulated into a corner by the Great Powers, but while united, they stand a shot. The 'United Republic' is more PR than anything. It's more: 'Three Republics with one emergency treasury, fleet, and army'. But that hat just doesn't roll of the tongue!
  • Russia: Is sticking to a similar approach to their polish situation-a thinly veiled puppet state.
PS: If you'd like to take the time to fill in Germany, I'd love it! I'd be able to lable the region with something less lazy than 'German States' :D

I hope that I answered your questions!
 
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Thanks for the quick reply and crit! I appreciate it! I'll adress all the points that I can:
  • The Map is a rough outline. I'm not a mapmaker, and I left 'Germany' the way it is today rather than cut out all of the states. It's intended for scale.
  • Gov't: I should have included this earlier (or in more detail) but each nation here (Illyria, Hungary, and Venice) has an independent government. The UR government only has the power to maintain the army and fleet, settle disputes, dictate foreign policy, and to tax during war time. The Illyrian Federation is just that-a Federation-Croatia and Dalmatia are both states with semi-autonomous governments. This feels better to a people than Absolute Monarchy, no?
  • Venetian Expansionism: Venice, historically, has allowed its subsidiaries a lot of self rule. Much of their historical attitude has been one of relative humility. Their economy effectively allows them to run the Republic, so why would they incite rebellions by (like the Austrians) trying to push their culture on the member states?
  • International Recognition: Europe was tired of Austria's Congress of Vienna, and the Russians made a deal with the Revolutionaries DURING the revolution! With Imola and the Veneto under the control of the UR, and with the fourth (give or take) largest population in Europe, the Great Powers see an opportunity to make a friend where there may have been an enemy before.
  • The Ottomans: Are nervous about rebellions in Bulgaria and Romania, and uncertain about their ability to trade in the Black Sea if those nations become independent. With the Venetian and Ottoman economies so closely tied, the Turks hope to find a potential ally.
  • Purchasing Colonies: The Austrian Gov't Took ~40,000,000 Lira from Venice during 1847. The Revolutionaries took it back, adding a fat reserve to Venice's strong trade-based economy. The Republic is wary to be trapped in the Med, with the decline of the First Republic largely owing to operating only in the Mediterranean and facing competition there. As such, they asked the Dutch for some (relatively) cheap territories. The Dutch agreed. It's only business! ;)
  • The Union: Occured for several reasons: The Illyrians have the Adriatic Ports, Venice has the Fleet, international clout, and 'teh moneyz', and Hungary has a massive population and army. Seperately, they could be manipulated into a corner by the Great Powers, but while united, they stand a shot. The 'United Republic' is more PR than anything. It's more: 'Three Republics with one emergency treasury, fleet, and army'. But that hat just doesn't roll of the tongue!
  • Russia: Is sticking to a similar approach to their polish situation-a thinly veiled puppet state.
PS: If you'd like to take the time to fill in Germany, I'd love it! I'd be able to lable the region with something less lazy than 'German States' :D

I hope that I answered your questions!

I think that a more likely outcome (even though the likeliest would be Venice joining Italy, but thats obviously not where you want to go) would be Illyria/Croatia simply partitioned between Venice and Hungary, which would then be close allies. I guess a loose federation might work in the immediate short-term, but Im not sure for its long term survival. As for the colonies, I still think the state would spend the money on improving the army, or the navy, or infrastructure, or something for the benefit of the people. Purchasing colonies isnt really something week-old revolutionary federations do.

Anyway, its a bit of a wacky premise, but an interesting one. It will be interesting to see how this Republic fares on the European and World stage.
 
We are agreed!

But one must note that most of the Republic's regulars were in fact trained soldiers who betrayed the Hapsburgs during the revolution. They were able to take equipment stored in the Quadriltero and local garrisons. The revolutionaries actually STOLE the Hapsburg fleet at Pola! They have some time before serious military reforms are in order.

As far as the Piedmontese and their unification efforts...well...they and Daniele Manin were the only people who thought it was plausible at this point. So, in an act of cruelty, the fair Manin was shot dead. :)

Thanks for liking my cooky premise! I hope you continue to watch it progress!
 
I think that a more likely outcome (even though the likeliest would be Venice joining Italy, but thats obviously not where you want to go) would be Illyria/Croatia simply partitioned between Venice and Hungary, which would then be close allies. I guess a loose federation might work in the immediate short-term, but Im not sure for its long term survival. As for the colonies, I still think the state would spend the money on improving the army, or the navy, or infrastructure, or something for the benefit of the people. Purchasing colonies isnt really something week-old revolutionary federations do.

Anyway, its a bit of a wacky premise, but an interesting one. It will be interesting to see how this Republic fares on the European and World stage.

Jimbrock...after continuing to look at the timeline...I think that you're right. The timespan felt longer to me...but I agree that colonies in a few weeks is ASB. Because of this, I've edited the TL to exclude the purchase.

Thanks for calling me on this JB...this is the very reason that I like criticism: sometimes I can't see my own mistakes until after I've made them!

The 1st update come tomorrow!
 
Let me begin by saying your writing is interesting and quite captivatining but some of your ideas are two to measure. No one in Europe would agree to allow russia any part of bohemia, its just not going to happen. Also the Hungarians would not federate with anyone. Probally more so then the Austrians the Hungarians wanted an empire only the wanted it controlled by hungarians. Some of the largest problems the AH had in the balkans was at the hands of the power hungry hungarian noble trying to increase their internal Hungarian territory and controll it. I just don't see anyway this could happen unless forced to by an outside force which In my mind could only be soviet russia or the Ottomans at their height. What your more likely to get is a venice state plus Hungary splitting your croatia/dalmatia nation between them.
 
Let me begin by saying your writing is interesting and quite captivatining but some of your ideas are two to measure. No one in Europe would agree to allow russia any part of bohemia, its just not going to happen. Also the Hungarians would not federate with anyone. Probally more so then the Austrians the Hungarians wanted an empire only the wanted it controlled by hungarians. Some of the largest problems the AH had in the balkans was at the hands of the power hungry hungarian noble trying to increase their internal Hungarian territory and controll it. I just don't see anyway this could happen unless forced to by an outside force which In my mind could only be soviet russia or the Ottomans at their height. What your more likely to get is a venice state plus Hungary splitting your croatia/dalmatia nation between them.

Oh, don't worry...those hot-blooded revolutionaries will cause trouble soon enough. For now, they are content with self-rule because they need Venetain money to survive...but they control much of the military, and will be itching for leadership soon enough :)

Thanks for the compliment!
 
It is a novel idea (and to tell the truth I've always been in love with the events of 1848-49, which IMHO were qute a disappointment IOTL).

I give you your dues for removing Manin from the scene: Manin was certainly a true patriot and believer, but it must be recognised that he ultimately played a vey negative role in the OTL events. Chief among his faults were the lack of support for the insurrection in Pola and his disinterest in organizing the Civic Guard: ultimately these two failures (even more so the latter than the former) gave the Austrian the necessary breathing space to reorganise and come out of a very bad situation. It is arguable if this happened because Manin was too nice a guy to be the Dictator in a revolution or if his failing health prevented him from a more decisive approach (certainly not because he was a strong supporter of the Savoy, as you seem to imply).

I have some bones to pick with yu about the chronology of the insurrection:
IOTL the Milanese insurrection was successful, and the Austrian troops under Radetzky retreated to the fortresses of the Quadrilatero (also in consideration of the insurrection of Vienna, which resulted in the emperor packing up and moving to Linz): it's somehow hard to understand how Radetzky could have been shot while marching through Milan after putting down the insurrection unless you posit a 3rd POD (Mlanese insurrection failed, Radetzky killed, Manin killed) which is a bit too rich.

IMHO, a successful 1848 just requires that the Hungarians recall their regiments immediately and that Manin is more decisive and authoritarian (no revolution by committee...). The recall of the Hungarian regiments would put the Austrian armies in Italy in a much weakened position, and would have the added bonus of avoiding that the Ban of Croatia moves his own regiments in support of the emperor; a better organization of the Civic Guard would have avoided the confusion of OTL military operations and would have allowed Venice to attract many more of the Italians and Dalmatians deserting the imperial army.

The true impossibility is creating a successful federation of Magyars, Croatian and Venetians. I could even (with a minor suspension of disbelief) accept a federation of Hungary and Venetia, but no way that Croatians get to be considered an equal partner (not to mention the federal capital in Zagreb).
If one ants to go out on a limb, I would be more willing to believe in a federation of Hungary, Venetia (including Istria and Dalmatia) and the (not-yet Rumanian) Principalities, where the 1848 motes gained some minor sucess.
Another hard one to believe is the Russians accepting to look the other way in exchange of territories, as well as the other European powers not reacting to a Russian army in Prague. There must be some internal reason for the Russians not to intervene (a revolt in Poland, a war with the Ottomans, the czar dieing suddenly, as was suggested in another TL dealing with 1848) oherwise the czarist regime willnot be willing to accept the establishment of rvolutionary republics on its border.

Two minor nitpicks: Pola is a city on the southernmost tip of the peninsula of Istria (not of Imola, which is an Italian city in Romagna); the Arsenalotti are not a revolutionary cabal, but rather the workers of the Arsenal, who - throughout all of Venice history - were always the most organised popular force and ready to take to the streets in defense of ther rights.
 
I have a couple of problems with this, some already mentioned.

1. the united republic. Why should the Venetians go for a united republic with other countries that surpass them considerably in population rather than following what started the revolution in large parts, nationalism, and join ITaly or an Italian confederation?
Nevertheless, I have to admit that this is not necessarily impossible to implement. For once, Venice is a republic and should be by far more liberal and progressive than the other Itaian states. There could easily develop splits between the Piemontese, the two Sicilies and the Pope on one side and the republics (Venice and possibly Milan, which IMHO would rather join Venice than Piemont in the referendum you'd mentioned). Now with this split, Austrian successor republics would be a natural choice for allies in the region. You might not get a united republic, but a union/confederation of republics.

2. Hungary and Croatia becoming a republic is somewhat strange, too. I doubt that the nobility there is wiling to share power with ordinary citizens. In Hungary you'd also have the problem of the national minorities which contradict a liberal government I'd say.

3. The Russians can easily be kept neutral by promising them Galicia and Bukovina. But everything South of that is part of the historical kingdom of Hungary and hence the Hungarians wouldn't give it away. Only a tiny fraction of the frontier connects Galicia with Bohemia or Moravia, and that tiny part is probably settled by Germans, who'd likely wouldn'T be that fond of becoming part of Russia - neither would the Prussians allow for that. So either you'd get Bohemia and Moravia as independent, or, and much more likely, unified Germany takes over either under a successful Paulskirche movement due to the Hapsburgs defeated or under a Prussian conservative leadership due to exploit the new situation in the formerly Hapsburg empire and to keep the Russians as well as the Republicans out of Austria and Bohemia.
 
This TL is full of ASB and WTF moments, a union of Venice, Croatia and Hungary? A union which is a republic? In what universe would hungarian nobility give equal rights to croatians and the romanian majority in Transylvania? Speaking about that... in 1848 there was also quite a strong romanian revolution alongside the hungarian one triggered in part because the romanians were afraid the hungarians would regain their old rights back and they would get shafted again.

I'm sorry but the idea that a progressive republic lead by Venice would merge with the highly powerhungry hungarian nobility to create a republic is absolutely delusional.
 
Thanks for the Criticism!

Hey guys! Thanks for posting!

After rereading (and sleeping on) the Timeline, I found it to be largely unsatisfactory. The United Republic was a fun idea that I had...but I realize now that I placed that fun ahead of my scholarly desire for a Venice that was Austro-Hungarian. Your posts have only served to confirm my opinion, and I'm going to make some fundamental changes according to my original plans.

My wants for the Reformed TL:
1-A Manin who either (a-Gets whacked or b-Is 'retired' due to sickness and replaced by a more forceful leader). I'll decide soon.
2-A Venice that HATES Piedmont: Unlike most of Italy,Venice considered itself culturally and ethnically seperate from Italy as well as politically.

I'll post the revised Timeline soon, both at the top of the page and below. When I do, I'd like to hear your impressions.

Thanks again,
-Ash
 
Jimbrock...after continuing to look at the timeline...I think that you're right. The timespan felt longer to me...but I agree that colonies in a few weeks is ASB. Because of this, I've edited the TL to exclude the purchase.

Thanks for calling me on this JB...this is the very reason that I like criticism: sometimes I can't see my own mistakes until after I've made them!

The 1st update come tomorrow!

Im pleased that my opinion has encouraged you to improve your timeline. :)

Hey guys! Thanks for posting!

After rereading (and sleeping on) the Timeline, I found it to be largely unsatisfactory. The United Republic was a fun idea that I had...but I realize now that I placed that fun ahead of my scholarly desire for a Venice that was Austro-Hungarian. Your posts have only served to confirm my opinion, and I'm going to make some fundamental changes according to my original plans.

My wants for the Reformed TL:
1-A Manin who either (a-Gets whacked or b-Is 'retired' due to sickness and replaced by a more forceful leader). I'll decide soon.
2-A Venice that HATES Piedmont: Unlike most of Italy,Venice considered itself culturally and ethnically seperate from Italy as well as politically.

I'll post the revised Timeline soon, both at the top of the page and below. When I do, I'd like to hear your impressions.

Thanks again,
-Ash

Looking forward to it, maybe an actual Venetian Republic instead? ;)
 
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