Integration Now, Integration Tomorrow, Integration Forever

Abhakhazia

Banned
Springfield, Illinois- 2012

"Jacob, do you know what incident exactly started the Second Civil War?" the History Teacher asked.
"Somethin' to do with the integration of some school in Little Rock, Arkansas?"
"Yes, quite. It was Central High School, nine African-American students enrolled in Central High, and a segregationist protest started on the surrounding streets. Orval Faubus, Governor of Arkansas order the Arkansas National Guard to support the segregationists. To counter, President Eisenhower ordered in the 101st Airborne Division in to lead the nine into the High School. Now, does anyone know what happened next? Yes, Avery?" Avery answered "Didn't the Arkansas National Guard, acting on secret orders from Faubus, shoot and kill two members of the 101st?" The teacher replied "Yes, they did. It erupted into a firefight. That night, Arkansas seceded from the Union. Segregation was banned in a midnight act of Congress that night. Several states seceded as soon as Arkansas did and most were in the south. Can anyone one name at least three states that seceded. What about you, Natalie?" "Well I know Kansas, Mississippi and umm, Kentucky?" "Yes good ones. The main reason for Kansas's secession was the Topeka Board of Education loosing Brown vs. The Board of Education. What other states were unusual for what they did? Logan?" "Louisiana and Florida didn't secede, right?" "Yes, Louisiana's large African American population and Florida's large Yankee population were the main reasons. The States met in Natchez, MS met and Confederated, forming the second Confederate States of America. All military was confiscated and they all surrendered to the CSA, some in bloody fights, others rather easily."


The White House, 1957

Dwight D. Eisenhower looked to both his North and his South. Fires blazed across the Potomac. Virginia was in the Union, but under martial law. He felt a failure as President, he was such a stupid son of a bitch for sending in the 101st in to Little Rock in the first place. A similar situation was going on in Maryland. He had lived a full life, and failed the Union. What point in there was living? I can't do this, he thought.
He picked up a pistol and shot himself in the head.
 

NothingNow

Banned
Clusterfuck? Is that an insult or compliment? I'm guessing insult.

The situation ITTL looks like it'll become a clusterfuck. I love TL's with massive clusterfucks (and indeed, my plans for a revived Cuba-wank involve the mother of all clusterfucks.) It's intended as a compliment.
 
Cool. So what does everybody think about President Nixon, 1957 and a CSA with Kansas in it?

I'm reluctant to say impossible, but...

Was Eisenhower really the type to shoot himself? He beat the Nazis after all; if anyone was best prepared to save the union, it would be Ike.
 
Oh shit! I wrote a short story from this premise. Involving a rogue National Guardsmen who ends up getting drunk and shooting one of the children trying to enter the school.
 

Abhakhazia

Banned
I'm reluctant to say impossible, but...

Was Eisenhower really the type to shoot himself? He beat the Nazis after all; if anyone was best prepared to save the union, it would be Ike.

The Union fell apart. Your home state seceded. You got cut him some slack.
 
I'm curious to see this.

How can the secessionists expect to win this one? The states in question don't have economies that can match "the North".

Plus, unlike the first Civil War, by this time period most of the world barring the USSR is going to want the Union to stay whole, so Western Europe and Japan is going to actively support the Union.
 

Abhakhazia

Banned
I'm curious to see this.

How can the secessionists expect to win this one? The states in question don't have economies that can match "the North".

Plus, unlike the first Civil War, by this time period most of the world barring the USSR is going to want the Union to stay whole, so Western Europe and Japan is going to actively support the Union.

I just had a picture of Jimmy Carter smoking a cigarette shooting British, Germans, Japanese and Americans sitting astride a Soviet Tank.
I have such a weird mind.
 
Eisenhower would do everything possible to put the CSA out of business instead of committing suicide.

Ike blowing his brains out and Kansas, a solidly Republican state, joining the CSA is so ASB.

Thumbs down.
 
There's no way a second Confederate States would last more than a few days. Every single black person would be opposed to it.

The Second Civil War would then devolve into a 'race war' in the US South.
 
There's no way a second Confederate States would last more than a few days. Every single black person would be opposed to it.

The Second Civil War would then devolve into a 'race war' in the US South.

Yes, though it is perhaps important to note that even by then their were proportionally less blacks in the south than their were during the ACW; in the period between 1910-1940 6 million African-Americans left the South, and by the end of the Second Great Migration (1941-1970) only 53% of African-Americans lived in the South.
 
The rebellion would be more than sizable. It would include 90% of African-Americans.

After the reintroduction of slavery, it would be 100%.

Foreign countries would probably immediately send help to the Union as soon as slavery is reinstated.

Of course it's highly unlikely that anybody would be stupid enough to bring back slavery.
 
...So, the CS reintroduced slavery.

All right, now that's just silly. It couldn't possibly be enforced, to say nothing of making this new CSA you're dreaming up a pariah to most of the known world. If you're just looking to write a bloodbath, there are simpler scenarios for that.
 
All right, now that's just silly. It couldn't possibly be enforced, to say nothing of making this new CSA you're dreaming up a pariah to most of the known world. If you're just looking to write a bloodbath, there are simpler scenarios for that.
Well, it would be a bloodbath in every single CS state the moment people hear about secession. The introduction of slavery would actually change little.
 

Abhakhazia

Banned
The rebellion would be more than sizable. It would include 90% of African-Americans.

After the reintroduction of slavery, it would be 100%.

Foreign countries would probably immediately send help to the Union as soon as slavery is reinstated.

Of course it's highly unlikely that anybody would be stupid enough to bring back slavery.

Yes, the South is failing. The point of this timeline is to seriously screw up the south and politics at the same of time.
 
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