Industrial revolution In India.

srinivasansharma

The Maratha empire nearly controlled Half of the INDIAN SUB CONTINENT.
If they have won the AFghans In 1761 they have Better chances of
conquering the other half in a Decade or two.Also they had a navy of
some quality which can be developed to challenge the Europeans at least
in the Indian Ocean.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maratha_empire

With a POD victory In 1761 and complete control of India in 1790s there
is a bright chance for a powerful ,proud and prosperous India in
1800s.
India had the land,labour,capital and organization for industrial
revolution as the Marthas already developed some Reformist changes in
their short but notable rule in the 1750s.
 

Keenir

Banned
srinivasansharma said:
The Maratha empire nearly controlled Half of the INDIAN SUB CONTINENT.
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there's no need to shout, goodsir.

If they have won the AFghans In 1761 they have Better chances of
conquering the other half in a Decade or two.Also they had a navy of
some quality which can be developed to challenge the Europeans at least
in the Indian Ocean.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maratha_empire

With a POD victory In 1761 and complete control of India in 1790s there
is a bright chance for a powerful ,proud and prosperous India in
1800s.
India had the land,labour,capital and organization for industrial
revolution as the Marthas already developed some Reformist changes in
their short but notable rule in the 1750s.
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"proud" for those in the upper castes, at least; yes?

if I may ask, if the Marathas gained complete control over all of India, why would they want to industrialize? (they didn't seem to in the article you presented, and that was already them ruling a not-inconsiderable swath of land).


just wondering.
 

Max Sinister

Banned
Do you want them to invent the steam machine, railroad and so on by themselves (sorry, but at that time it's a little bit late for that), or is it OK if they "import" the needed knowledge?

Maybe Napoleon doesn't invade Spain and/or Russia, but decides to undermine Britain instead - by supporting the Marathas f.e.
 

Keenir

Banned
Max Sinister said:
Do you want them to invent the steam machine, railroad and so on by themselves (sorry, but at that time it's a little bit late for that), or is it OK if they "import" the needed knowledge?

Maybe Napoleon doesn't invade Spain and/or Russia, but decides to undermine Britain instead - by supporting the Marathas f.e.
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it would make sense (does that disqualify it? :D )....and its just a step above what he did in OTL (Napoleon sent gifts to the Shah of Persia, formalizing a treaty with him...which suggests Napoleon had a way to get to Persia).
 

WFHermans

Banned
I recall the French did send some princely indian states technology to irritate the British at the end of the 18th century.

A great POD would be a Scottish Jacobite engineer advising a princely state how to build steam engines and rifles, somewhere between 1750 and 1800. It doesn't even have to be a big indian state. They have to be ready however by 1804 to smash Wellesly's advance on Delhi. :D
 

King Gorilla

If I recall, while the Maratha's controlled most of the India subcontinent at their peak, they hardly existed as a unified empire, country or nation. Consequently, their empire while impressive on paper was more or less compossed of multiple states who could be fairly easily played against each other by outside powers such as the british.
 

Straha

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think the best the marathas can get is to have a united indian nation that ends up like china: exploited by euros economically but isn't colonized.
 

Flocculencio

Donor
A better chance is with the Sikhs.

Have Ranjit Singh's firstborn, Kharak, survive so that upon his death the Sikh Empire has an adult ruler and you may avoid the Sikh Wars. The Sikhs remain independent and during the Indian Mutiny Kharak declares his support for the British and marches on Delhi. As a result, he becomes the most favoured Asian monarch and manages to recieve the necessary technical assistance to industrialise his nation. Basically, the Punjab becomes an Indian version of Japan, allied to the British Empire. In the end, all of what is OTL Pakistan, plus Kashmir and the Punjab comes under Sikh rule while the British rule the rest of India.

This way you get a modernised, industrialised regional power in NW India. Perhaps, due to it's alliance with the British, the Sikh Empire manages to get in on various colonial wars and gains colonies, possibly in China and other places where the Sikhs fight alongside the British.
 

Flocculencio

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Straha said:
So could Khalistan(the sikh nation) become first world by 2006?
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Depends. If they play their cards right, certainly.

In fact if you get a semi-recognisable industrialisation of Japan and a semi-recognisable WW1 you might well see the Japanese run into a bit more trouble in SE Asia. Instead of just fighting a UK and the Commonwealth who are preoccupied with the European situation they'd be running into Khalistani troops who have a very great interest in making sure that SE Asia remains secure.

That'd be one helluva fight- the Khalsa versus the neo-Samurai :D
 

King Gorilla

I could see a khalistan encompasing most of Punjab and Kashmir although it would probably end up being more of a Punjab state the a Sikh one due to both areas having a muslim majority and with Punjabi's regardless of their respective religion, being the largest ethnic group withen the said boundries.
 

Flocculencio

Donor
King Gorilla said:
I could see a khalistan encompasing most of Punjab and Kashmir although it would probably end up being more of a Punjab state the a Sikh one due to both areas having a muslim majority and with Punjabi's regardless of their respective religion, being the largest ethnic group withen the said boundries.
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Definitely. I figure you might see something akin to a caste system with Sikhs providing the military castes and the nobility while the bulk of the population are Muslim or Hindu.

You'd probably have Hindu and Muslim regiments but they'd be in the minority. Perhaps a system where all Sikh males must serve for a time in the Khalsa while for Hindus and Muslims military service is optional.

However with increased political success for the Sikhs I'd think that you'd see increased conversion to Sikhism among the Hindus and Muslims. Sikhism isn't too hot on conversion OTL but in these circumstances I'd think they'd be quite happy to welcome additions to their political power base through conversion.
 
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