Would William Henry Harrison getting killed at Fallen Timbers enable Tecumseh's confederacy suceed
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well the theory by most "professional" historians, the combined forces of the Northwest Indians could hold back settlers out of Wisconsin/UP
It'd be interesting if, as the Ohio River Valley and other regions between the Miss. River and the East Coast fell to white conquest, the more rebellious Indians relocated up to the Great Lakes area. A sort of cultural mishmash developing in an independent and massive Indian reservation? If it lasted long enough for the US government to recognize it or at least stop trying to grab the land, maybe the Cherokee/Seminole will be relocated there later if a Jackson-analogue makes an appearance? Even further on, it'd be a safe refuge for Plains Indians getting driven off their wandering lands.
well you could say if Michigan got Toledo because Ohio gives up the UP could make the nation/reservation stronger due to the resources of the region
No; but it does put a price upon Tecumseh's head and brings more US soldiers into the region.
and you know this how?
Ohio did not "have" the UP. The lower peninsula and at least the eastern half of the upper would never be considered as a potential site for a large Indian autonomous region/mega-reservation, as the US would want to control navigation on & defense of the Great Lakes
i meant if Ohio doesnt fight over toledo, because Michigan's compensation in otl for toledo was the UP
so thus if Ohio never went to the supreme court against Michigan they never woul've gotten the compensation
The dispute did not go before the US Supreme Court. Statehood would have been held up until Michigan agreed to it. Also, Michigan's compensation for the Toledo strip was the western 2/3 of the UP. The eastern 1/3 had previously been included in the new state of the Michigan (1835).
It doesn't then follow that the UP becomes a reservation. Some other US state, perhaps still Michigan, will get the UP.
At the time of Fallen Timbers, the last "real" war the had US fought was about, among many other things, free navigation of the Great Lakes. Handing over the UP and with it access to Superior to "savages" simply isn't going to happen.
And I'm still waiting for you the name these "professional" historians you mentioned earlier.
Even if the (Western) Upper Peninsula had become a large Indian Reservation, it still probably would've only lasted until the 1840s and the Keewenaw copper rush. Then the white settlers would pour in and mine the stuff, Indians be damned, given that the Indians themselves aren't likely to have the manpower to guard the Keewenaw against white settlers/pioneers and mine it all themselves.
Great start. Appeals to nonexistent experts, no idea about how the Toledo Strip issue was actually settled, no idea concerning free navigation on the Great lakes, ignoring white settlers behavior regarding mineral strikes on native lands, it's sure to be a winner.
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