Independent Sardinia-Corsica?

What ASB measures would be needed to establish an independent country consisting of the islands of Sardinia and Corsica (and maybe Sicily)?

I suppose the best starting point would be in 1434, with Aragon not losing Corsica to Genoa (Vincentello d'Istria manages to keep it in his pants?). This would at least keep the islands under the same roof, so to speak.

Or we could have a POD before that, with Alfonso III not dying (he was only 27), meaning his brother remains the independent king of Sicily, Sardinia and Corsica.

After that it would be a matter of Joan I of Naples successfully producing an heir, meaning there will be no succession struggle, and Alfonso II of Sardinia and Corsica can concentrate on keeping Corsica.

Is this doable?
 
If it endured until 1800, we could have an interesting Napoleon here

No we wouldn't. Ignoring the Butterfly Brigade, if Napoleon still existed then he still had his two aims: Firstly he wanted to be an officer in the Royal Navy, then before he could go to Portsmouth his father sent him for a military education in Paris and he then wanted to be a successful French officer. One or the other of these two would still happen - remember that Corsica was still in the throws of independence when Napoleon left OTL and that still didn't stop him leaving the country.
 
No we wouldn't. Ignoring the Butterfly Brigade, if Napoleon still existed then he still had his two aims: Firstly he wanted to be an officer in the Royal Navy, then before he could go to Portsmouth his father sent him for a military education in Paris and he then wanted to be a successful French officer. One or the other of these two would still happen - remember that Corsica was still in the throws of independence when Napoleon left OTL and that still didn't stop him leaving the country.
:confused: Royal Navy? Portsmouth? :confused:

Genoa (if still independent), or savoy or france or even spain seems much more probable to me
 
You read me right. Napoleon, like I think more foreigners than people actually realise, wanted to go to Britain to be a sailor (specifically an officer). His dad was the personal assistant to Paulo Pasquoli (think that's the name), the guy who set up the Anglo-Corsican Kingdom (a brief-lasting independent state which sought to have George III as its patron/King more to secure its independence than anything, and while Napoleon showed little interest in Corsican independence he grew up seeing little future for himself on the island and at the time, the RN was a glamorous placing. However, French army officer was also a glamorous status to have, and when his father sent him to Paris he threw himself into the job and became the man he was destined to be.

Edit: Read a bit more into it and apparently it was comments made to him in Paris which led him to consider joining the Royal Navy. However, I still think that his father - a man of enough money for comfort - would send him abroad for his education and he would never return, except for family visits. I can't see him staying in Corsica.
 
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How about going with Pisa, that for a while owned both Islands along with the Balearic Islands.
When Valencia attacks and captures Pisa, a lot of Pisians Escape to the Islands, along with the Pisan Navy and Merchant Fleet.
While the Republic of the Isles plans to return and retake Pisa, time passes and the Independence of the Isles becomes established.
By the time Argon invades 100 years later, their Identity as the Isles survives, and remains distinct.

The Isles trade hands several times during the coming centuries, But there is enuff time between Invasions to allow the notion of Independence to continue.

sometime in the 1800's the Three regain their independence and remain that way till now.
 
Only, Pauli was not pro british, but only anti-french (and basically independentist).
During the early part of the revolution he sided with the revolutionaries against the monarchical (official) government; when the revolution got the power he switched side to being anti-revolution (since now it was the revolutionary's turn to be the "colonialist" oppressors) and he was forced to side with the only anti-french power in the western med (UK)
 
No we wouldn't. Ignoring the Butterfly Brigade, if Napoleon still existed then he still had his two aims: Firstly he wanted to be an officer in the Royal Navy, then before he could go to Portsmouth his father sent him for a military education in Paris and he then wanted to be a successful French officer. One or the other of these two would still happen - remember that Corsica was still in the throws of independence when Napoleon left OTL and that still didn't stop him leaving the country.


I'm in the middle of rereading an old AH novel by Edward Atiyah "The Eagle Flies From England", in which Napoleon's parents leave Corsica for England rather than live under French rule. However, he goes into the British Army, not the Navy. By a series of coincidences he still finishes up on St Helena.
 
Note to self: Mention of Corsica, no matter the context, timeframe or POD, will inevitably lead to debate about Napoleon. Refrain from mentioning Corsica in the future.
 
1784 -British occupy Corsica [OTL]
1803 - British returns Corsica in Treaty of Ameins [OTL]
1804- Napoleonic gives Sardinia to his New Kingdom of North Italy [POD]
1805 - Britain Occupies both Sardinia & Corsica [ATL]
1815 -Britain keeps Both Islands as part of Congress of Vienna.
1895 - Britain establishes Dominion of the Isles.
 
A son of the emperor who died....oh, let me see if I can find more facts to enervate what is left of my mind!

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OK, this dude son of Frederick II

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enzo_of_Sardinia

Frederick II managed to die in his bed, and things went screwy thereafter for his dynasty..

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Interesting a kingdom of Sardinia (possibly later also Corsica) under a illegitimate branch of the Hohenstaufen. The only problem is that Enzio in reality only ruled Longudoro and he hadn't a long reign; perhaps if Enzio doesn't become imperial vicar of Lombardy etc. but instead can focus on his kingdom he (or his descendents) can unify Sardinia and Corsica (the latter with papal blessing, since IIRC Corsica was considered a papal fief).
 
How about in the 18th Century?

Inspired by the Sophia thread:

Sophia of Hannover is stillborn.
Charles Emmanuel 2nd son of Victor Amadeus converts to Protestantism and becomes King Charles III of GB (probably under a regency for a few years).
Victor's first son lives longer becoming King of Sardinia in 1730 but has no children.
He dies during an alt 7YW so Charles III is now also King of Sardinia.

After the Napoleonic Wars, Corsica is added and the Kingdom goes (under Salic Law) to a Cadet branch of the British Savoys with the ascension of Queen Victoria Amadea (;)) resulting in the formation of Dominion Kingdoms under the Empress :D.

Later it forms part of the Italian League with the 2 Sicilies, the Papal States, Lombardy, etc.
 
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Okay, I think I've got it. Joan I of Naples produces a surviving son. There's no succession struggle, meaning Alfonso V's son, Ferdinand, becomes King of Aragon.
Ferdinand then splits his realm between two of his sons (the Aragonese kings were rather disinterested in their island holdings, as shown by their rapid abandonment of Corsica as soon as Naples became available).
The now independent king of Sardinia and Corsica is much more interested in holding onto his titular rights to Corsica, and devotes more energy to opposing Genoa.

John, who in OTL inherited Aragon from his brother, instead becomes the King of Navarre. As Navarre is his only kingdom, he doesn't become crazy jealous of his son, who goes on to inherit the kingdom on John's death.
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The Iberian Unification as per OTL has been dashed, but I got my independent Sardinia-Corsica.
 
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