Independent Michigan

[Mabzie]

I was wondering how we could accomplish an Independent Michigan with a POD after 1914. Is this possible?

This Michigan must have at least 85% of it's current area, and be completely independent, not as a Canadian puppet state or something like that.

 

[Emperor Norton I]

It's not going to happen. The US is secure and settled by that time and will not lose territory.

 

[Mabzie]

It's not going to happen. The US is secure and settled by that time and will not lose territory.

What date of POD would you suggest to make this happen?

 

[Turek]

What date of POD would you suggest to make this happen?

Pre-1800. No way it's gonna happen otherwise.

 

[Evan]

Pre-1800. No way it's gonna happen otherwise.

Or slightly post-1800, when you can without too much trouble get it to go to Britain or an independent New England. Perhaps it could also be set up as an independent Indian buffer-state?

 

[Dathi THorfinnsson]

Pre-1800. No way it's gonna happen otherwise.

Yes. Or it MIGHT be possible with some pod up to 1812. But no later.
About the only way it would happen is if its a rump of Tecumseh's native state. Truly unlikely, but may be the only nonASB option with eg a post 1800 PoD.

Of course, the further you go back, the more options. But its still going to be tough.

 

[Mabzie]

I'm thinking about doing some writing on the topic, an 1812ish POD sounds like it would work.

I'd assume that other states would be independent in some sort of alliance in this scenario.

 

[A Random Person]

Have a president who alienates his people and Michigan holds a referendum to secede, narrowly passing.

 

[Mabzie]

Have a president who alienates his people and Michigan holds a referendum to secede, narrowly passing.

Hopefully Lincoln's not president lol

 

[nooblet]

http://download.lardlad.com/sounds/season11/sleaze11.mp3

Independent Michigan... I wouldn't trust the people here to run their own goldfish tank, let alone an independent country.

 

[Lord Grattan]

I was wondering how we could accomplish an Independent Michigan with a POD after 1914. Is this possible?

This Michigan must have at least 85% of it's current area, and be completely independent, not as a Canadian puppet state or something like that.

An independent Michigan post-1900 is not going to happen without direct divine or alien intervention.

I'm thinking about doing some writing on the topic, an 1812ish POD sounds like it would work.

I'd assume that other states would be independent in some sort of alliance in this scenario.

There is no plausible 1812ish scenario where Michigan becomes an independent nation. Even in a "British decisively wins the War of 1812" scenario, Michigan doesn't become independent, though it will eventually become a province in that TL's Canada equivalent.
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On another note, you might find Meepy's "The Third Pistol" TL interesting. In it, Michigan becomes independent following the 1835 Toledo War.
https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=119253

 

[Mabzie]

An independent Michigan post-1900 is not going to happen without direct divine or alien intervention.




There is no plausible 1812ish scenario where Michigan becomes an independent nation. Even in a "British decisively wins the War of 1812" scenario, Michigan doesn't become independent, though it will eventually become a province in that TL's Canada equivalent.
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On another note, you might find Meepy's "The Third Pistol" TL interesting. In it, Michigan becomes independent following the 1835 Toledo War.
https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=119253

It may be ASB but I think we could fuck up with world with butterflies to the point that it happens, even becoming a regional power. If I write this it's going to be more for entertainment's sake, although I do want to research and make this as believable as it possibly can be.

 

[PandaRosa]

Half a loaf?

I still couldn't say how, but do you mean the whole state of Michigan?
Doubt the mitten part would break away, too much a part of the US commerce structure.
But I could see the Upper Peninsula becoming independent; they're still rather isolated in attitude even now.

 

[nooblet]

The only way it happens is if an area far greater than Michigan is called "Michigan" instead of something else. Bonus points if its political capital is somewhere in the present-day state of Michigan.

Reading the linked TL now. Interesting.

 

[Dathi THorfinnsson]

Look up MadMc's Crown and Tomahawk TL in the pre1900 forum. While the native state there is more than michigan, that gives you an idea of what might be possible.

Me, i dont think such a native state would have survived, how do you stop whites flooding in, and/or get the necessary native population to defend yourself. But it is certainly this side of asb.

A small native state sandwiched between the us and britain/canada, useful to both sides as a buffer state should be possible, too.

But an independent 'michigan' filled with anglos very likely is asb.

 

[Grey Wolf]

I was wondering how we could accomplish an Independent Michigan with a POD after 1914. Is this possible?

This Michigan must have at least 85% of it's current area, and be completely independent, not as a Canadian puppet state or something like that.

I imagine if you nuke enough of the world, enough of Michigan might survive to govern itself as a successor state

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

 

[tchizek]

Global Thermonuclear war in 1975. Breakup of all countries back to Iron Age level, by 2050 or so a civilization centered on Calumet Michigan begins spreading out taking over the surrounding area. By 2200 the Empire of Michigan controls what used to be the upper mid-West of the United States from the Rockies to the Appalachians.

Edit: Damn you Grey Wolf you beat me to it...