Independent Celtic States?

How about a richer and more prosperous, and therefore more populous, post-Roman Britain? If there are enough Celtic Britons the Anglo-Saxons/Danes/whatever might assimilate leaving OTL England and Wales a de facto Celtic nation?
 
Well, it seems unlikely this would last forever unchanged, so the question is how English kings after Edward handle it (or Welsh princes after Llewellyn, for that matter)
Yeah, this is a good question. Well I wouldn't think the English kings would have much to do with it on their own. Even with Wales divided as it was they had plenty of trouble and as I said before, relied on the Welsh to defeat the Welsh, just like how they relied on the Welsh to defeat the Irish, the Scots, and the French. :p But anyways, the big problem the Welsh had was that their ancient laws dictated that inherited land is divided equally between all of a lord's sons, and so this caused a lot of problems. Llywelyn ap Iorwerth (the Great) recognized this and tried to do things the English way by having his son Dafydd inherit everything, but Dafydd's brother Gruffydd didn't like that at all and so joined the English against him and undid everything his father built. Llywelyn ap Gruffydd got a lot of land back though, maybe even more, and I don't think he'd have had the same problem and by the time he passes on the Welsh just might be more used to doing inheritance the English way.
 

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For Brittany, could it (along with Provence, Corsica, and anywhere else the powers can cut off) be granted independence from France at an alternate Congress of Vienna more interested in a France-screw?
 
And wasn't Brittany only truly annexed after the Middle Ages?

Well, not really. The Dukes of Brittany from 1213 onwards were a junior line of the Capetian royal house of France [1]. There may have been some legal fiction of independence, but it wasn't anything real.

[1] The House of Dreux, which traces back to the younger brother of King Louis VII of France, and its descendants. Incidentally, my paternal line traces back to the House of Dreux...
 
For Brittany, could it (along with Provence, Corsica, and anywhere else the powers can cut off) be granted independence from France at an alternate Congress of Vienna more interested in a France-screw?

Quite unlikely. If the area pulls another Vendee, only longer and more successful, there could be a small possibility, but...
 
Well, not really. The Dukes of Brittany from 1213 onwards were a junior line of the Capetian royal house of France [1]. There may have been some legal fiction of independence, but it wasn't anything real.

[1] The House of Dreux, which traces back to the younger brother of King Louis VII of France, and its descendants. Incidentally, my paternal line traces back to the House of Dreux...
So, you are a Capetian, I forgot that the direct male descendant of the Valois Family is in United States under the surname Loup or Loup-Mills.

For Brittany, could it (along with Provence, Corsica, and anywhere else the powers can cut off) be granted independence from France at an alternate Congress of Vienna more interested in a France-screw?
I think Provence can be merged with Two Sicilies to form the Kingdom of Provence-Two-Sicilies which will be interesting.

And I think Brittany can be independent as an ally of UK.
 
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Well, not really. The Dukes of Brittany from 1213 onwards were a junior line of the Capetian royal house of France [1]. There may have been some legal fiction of independence, but it wasn't anything real.

[1] The House of Dreux, which traces back to the younger brother of King Louis VII of France, and its descendants. Incidentally, my paternal line traces back to the House of Dreux...

Being ruled by a junior line of the Capets and being fully controlled by the French Kings are two different things.

I'm not saying Brittany was a fully independent state, but it wasn't fully controlled for some time either.
 
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