independence-minded New France circa 1759 + Cape Colony circa 1795/1806

yofie

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If the people of New France had been contemplating independence from
France in 1759 when the British were going to attack Quebec, would the
outcome of the Battle of Quebec that year have been different? If so,
how? And how would the people in New France have reacted in the years
afterwards?

Would the people in the Dutch Cape Colony in South Africa have reacted
the same way as OTL if they had considered independence from the
Netherlands at the time of the British attacks in 1795 and 1806?

I'm having in mind here that more and more Criollos in the Rio de la
Plata region and elsewhere in Spanish America didn't like Spanish rule
anymore by the time the British made their advances in the Rio de la
Plata in 1806-07 and yet they wanted independence much more than
British rule that could have been the result.
 
I think the question you first need to ask is "why would the people of New France be contemplating independence?" Colonies declaring independence was, in 1759, completely unheard of, the political and social ideas behind it largely not yet thought-out, and New France was probably not economically strong enough to actually exist on its own.
 
If the people of New France had been contemplating independence from
France in 1759 when the British were going to attack Quebec, would the
outcome of the Battle of Quebec that year have been different? If so,
how? And how would the people in New France have reacted in the years
afterwards?

Would the people in the Dutch Cape Colony in South Africa have reacted
the same way as OTL if they had considered independence from the
Netherlands at the time of the British attacks in 1795 and 1806?

I'm having in mind here that more and more Criollos in the Rio de la
Plata region and elsewhere in Spanish America didn't like Spanish rule
anymore by the time the British made their advances in the Rio de la
Plata in 1806-07 and yet they wanted independence much more than
British rule that could have been the result.

If the British decided to conquer and the local colonists decided to break from their own european metropole, the red-clad soldiers will have no difficulty to conquer these territories. So nothing change in your TL... Except that the Quebequois will have no reasons to dislike the French who sold them to the British for some sugar islands in the Caribbean...
 
If the people of New France had been contemplating independence from France in 1759 when the British were going to attack Quebec, would the outcome of the Battle of Quebec that year have been different? If so, how? And how would the people in New France have reacted in the years afterwards?

Falastur's point about 1759 being too early for the people of New France to be contemplating or considering ideas of independence from France is a an important one. Additionally, keep in mind that by 1759 the French population in Acadia has been drastically reduced as a result of the Acadian Expulsion (Le Grand Dérangement). No revolutionary zeal will rise from there.

You might wish to rephrase ypur question and ask, "Had the French held on to New France how long would it have been before thoughts of independence began to bubble up/germinate (something like that) among the people?"
 

yofie

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Falastur's point about 1759 being too early for the people of New France to be contemplating or considering ideas of independence from France is a an important one. Additionally, keep in mind that by 1759 the French population in Acadia has been drastically reduced as a result of the Acadian Expulsion (Le Grand Dérangement). No revolutionary zeal will rise from there.

You might wish to rephrase ypur question and ask, "Had the French held on to New France how long would it have been before thoughts of independence began to bubble up/germinate (something like that) among the people?"

OK, but how about the Afrikaners vis-a-vis the Netherlands around 1800 down in South Africa?
 
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