How would an independant Tyrol affect the relationship between Austria, Germany and Italy?
Was there ever a chance that Tyrol might become independant?
Would the Allies and Soviet Union have any intrest in a independant Tyrol?
Would a independant Tyrol begin a new national identity project to differentiate themselfes from the German/Austrian identity?
Maybe a new form of german, founded on the tyrolian dialect might come in existance?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrol
 
IMO, only if Austria gets divided between the capitalists and socialists in the Cold War. But, by then, Tyrol will most likely be annexed into the German Federal Republic.
 
No. It is just not large enough to be self-sustaining, nor is there any feeling among the German-speakers of a separate "Tyrolean" nationality. This would infuriate both the Italians and Austrians--in the Austrian case, not only because of the loss of territory of Tyrol itself, but because this would cut them off from Vorarlberg. Indeed, this would virtually force Vorarlberg to join Switzerland--something the Allies had rejected after World War I. (At least with Vorarlberg, separation from Austria could be justified on linguistic grounds, in that Vorarlberg speaks an Alemannic dialect akin to those of Switzerland. By contrast, German-speaking Tyrol uses the same Austro-Bavarian Upper German as the rest of Austria.)

The only question was whether Italy would retain South Tyrol/Alto Adige, as I discuss at https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...urn-south-tyrol-alto-adige-to-austria.397862/
 
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IMO, only if Austria gets divided between the capitalists and socialists in the Cold War. But, by then, Tyrol will most likely be annexed into the German Federal Republic.

Even if Austria is partitioned there is no chance whatever of an independent Tyrolean state. If the Allies want to create a West Austria, this will be hard enough to keep viable even with (northern) Tyrol and Vorarlberg. If they decide West Austria is too small to form a viable country, then the whole territory including (northern) Tryrol and Vorarlberg will be joined with West Germany.
 
No. It is just not large enough to be self-sustaining, nor is there any feeling among the German-speakers of a separate "Tyrolean" nationality. This would infuriate both the Italians and Austrians--in the Austrian case, not only because of the loss of territory of Tyrol itself, but because this would cut them off from Vorarlberg. Indeed, this would virtually force Vorarlberg to join Switzerland--something the Allies had rejected after World War I. (At least with Vorarlberg, separation from Austria could be justified on linguistic grounds, in that Vorarlberg speaks an Alemannic dialect akin to those of Switzerland. By contrast, German-speaking Tyrol uses the same Austro-Bavarian Upper German as the rest of Austria.)

The only question was whether Italy would retain South Tyrol/Alto Adige, as I discuss at https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...urn-south-tyrol-alto-adige-to-austria.397862/

Voralberg could also be independant. Liechenstein is already independant, and is much smaller than Voralberg or Tyrol.

I was thinking of Italian tyrol and austrian tyrol being incorporated into one state.
 
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Even if Austria is partitioned there is no chance whatever of an independent Tyrolean state. If the Allies want to create a West Austria, this will be hard enough to keep viable even with (northern) Tyrol and Vorarlberg. If they decide West Austria is too small to form a viable country, then the whole territory including (northern) Tryrol and Vorarlberg will be joined with West Germany.
region may also be incorporated into this independant tyrol.
 
IMO, only if Austria gets divided between the capitalists and socialists in the Cold War. But, by then, Tyrol will most likely be annexed into the German Federal Republic.
In Tyrol there was planned to be a last stand of nazi forces, maybe they could have gotten a deal that guaranteed a tyrolian or alp state?
 
Voralberg could also be independant. Liechenstein is already independant, and is much smaller than Voralberg or Tyrol.

I was thinking of Italian tyrol and austrian tyrol being incorporated into one state.

(1) Micro-states like Liechtenstein, San Marino, etc. were considered historical curiosities by 1945. The Allies certainly did not intend to create any more of them. (The Free Territory of Trieste was a temporary expedient and never really functioned as an independent state.)

(2) Again, why do something which will anger both the Italians and the Austrians, and for which there is no support whatever? Keeping the pre-WW2 territorial status quo satisfied Italy. Returning South Tyrol/Alto Adige would have satisfied Austria. This proposal would leave both nations angry--and for what?
 
(1) Micro-states like Liechtenstein, San Marino, etc. were considered historical curiosities by 1945. The Allies certainly did not intend to create any more of them. (The Free Territory of Trieste was a temporary expedient and never really functioned as an independent state.)

(2) Again, why do something which will anger both the Italians and the Austrians, and for which there is no support whatever? Keeping the pre-WW2 territorial status quo satisfied Italy. Returning South Tyrol/Alto Adige would have satisfied Austria. This proposal would leave both nations angry--and for what?

Would be intresting to see the shift in the dynamics of the region.
 
In Tyrol there was planned to be a last stand of nazi forces, maybe they could have gotten a deal that guaranteed a tyrolian or alp state?
No, because the Allies already had their political compasses set on the unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany in 1945.
 
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