When I read the book, I just kind of assumed that the Germans and Japanese conquered the whole world between them. I can't remember if there is anything in the book that talks about free countries. Anyone remember?
Strategos' Risk said:I haven't read this book, though I've read reviews.
Why did the Reich take over Haiti?
Strategos' Risk said:I read John Reilly's review of In the Presence of Mine Enemies. I thought the U.S. lost World War III and had Omaha as its capitol, but wasn't conquered by Germany...?
Thande said:I based most of my borders on the scene where Alicia Gimpel is having the geography lesson. Maybe I should have made a border between the U.S. and Canada. Turtledove simply says "paler red marked territory occupied but not officially annexed into the Empire...France, the United States and Canada." It's a bit inconsistent, as I wouldn't expect an occupied country to have its own (albeit puppet) government. I think he screwed up: what was probably meant was more like a "Vichy United States", with theoretical semi-independence but always kept on a short lead. And in the same passage the deep red of the Germanic Empire only extends "deeply into Russia and India", not all the way, so I assume the Japanese have the rest.
Thande said:Personally I want to know what Turtledove's POD was. Dick had the assassination of FDR in 1934 followed by an isolationist America (though he does make references to Americans fighting in Britain). Turtledove seems to have a successful Sealion ("Aaargh! Hot potato, orchestra scores, plucked to make amends!" HONK!) followed up by a more successful Barbarossa, Japan conquering nearly everywhere without the US batting an eyelid, and then a US deprived of nuclear arms being conquered by Germany alone, without even any significant help from Japan. Paint me blue and call me silly, but I can't see this as being in any way likely. America may go isolationist sometimes, but never that isolationist. The trouble with any Nazis-win WW2 scenario is that in order to make this possible, you have to change the war so much that it's virtually unrecognisable (No El Alamein, no Stalingrad, etc. etc.)