In the absence of Disney what studios fill the void?
Do we get a rise in animation as per OTL?
Do we get a rise in animation as per OTL?
In the absence of Disney
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A sad thought for me - no manga, no anime industry (not at all, thought) maybe. Or different.
Disney influenced a lot of the early artists in Japan, like their own Disney - Osamu Tesuka - who paved the way for the modern japanese artists. So, no things like Astro Boy and Black Jack maybe
and a different comic world in Japan....
Disney influenced a lot of the early artists in Japan, like their own Disney - Osamu Tesuka - who paved the way for the modern japanese artists. So, no things like Astro Boy and Black Jack maybe
and a different comic world in Japan....
If Disney didn't exist, we'd probably see Warner Bros rising to meet the feature length animation void after the death of shorts.
Would be interesting to see a 'Tesuka' taking inspirations from it instead... Maybe a more bitting, sarcastic, cynic Tesuka? (he was actually a lot in some works..)
It's practically inevitable after a certain point, TBH. Although it may not necessarily be real similar to OTL in certain aspects, it's still going to occur once the threshold is reached.
Max Sinister
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There were many other good animators around in that time. Just look here: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation
Friz Freleng, the Fleischers, Ub Iwerks and so on.
Friz Freleng, the Fleischers, Ub Iwerks and so on.
Agreed. Many people may not know this, but while Disney was a good storyteller, he was a piss-poor animator. He could barely draw. In fact, Iwerks was the one that drew most of the early Oswald the Lucky Rabbit and Mickey Mouse shorts. Disney played a large role in putting the stories together, but he relied heavily on his animators to draw and bring it to life. So... without Disney, the quality of animation would likely evolve more slowly, seeing as how all the other animators would likely still be around. Obviously, the list of animated movies that would have come into being would be much, much different today. Also, Snow White wasn't the first animated feature film, as many believe. That honor actually goes to the 1917 movie, El Apóstol. (It's just a damn shame that the only known copy was destroyed.
Would have liked to have seen it.)Fleishers for sure.They did some Popeye 18 minute cartoons that have to be seen.Two of them had live minature scenes married to animation.See Popeye the Sailor meets Sindbad.They did do two features:Gulliver, and Mr Bug Goes to town which was a flop and cost them their studio.IF they did a Popeye full length with the live background and animation it could work.
Hmmm, yes we could see Popeye becoming their Mickey Mouse (P was popular enough OTL). This would then pave the way for them to do a Gulliver animated movie properly.
Perhaps they extend towards animating similar stories such as Alice in Wonderland and Swiss Family Robinson.
Who would do the Grimm Fairy Stories that Disney horrifically "cutified"? Perhaps Warner Bros?
Or animators who would go to Disney and WB set up their own? The Grimm Animation Studio?
Disney, to a large degree, was responsible for what we know today as the "Animation Ghetto." Because of Disney, animation is seen by many audiences as 'for kids.' Without them, we could see feature-length animation aimed at more mature audiences. Given that, prior to modern CGI, a lot of what was done in fantasy and science fiction and comic books was only really possible with animation (unless there's a lot of money to throw at the project), we may see an earlier Age of the Comic Book Film. Or Epic Fantasy films would first rise as animation (an animated Lord of the Rings, for example).
Agreed, I think Bugs would fill the void. WB toons were extremely popular as is. Take out Disney and it makes room for them.
A big part of it was also the Comic Books Code which came out of the 1950s which greatly censored comic books which doomed comic books to little kids fare which effected animation as well. BTW, there was at least two animations of at least part of LOTR that I am aware of. Neither was very good.
Just one problem with that. Tex Avery, the man who originally went on to design the Bugs Bunny we all know and love didn't start out working for WB. He started out working for Universal. And guess which cartoon he worked on? None other than Oswald the Lucky Rabbit, which was created by Disney himself. (One should note that Avery joined up after Disney lost the rights and they went in a different direction with the character). That means that, if there is no Disney, there is no Oswald. And if there's no Oswald, there's no direct inspiration for Bugs Bunny. To be fair though, Avery didn't create Bugs. That honor goes to Mr. Ben Hardaway, who was known by his nickname "Bugs". He originally drew up a cartoon rabbit that was unnamed, but essentially was Bugs Bunny. Think of it as the Beta Bugs. When Hardaway left WB to go work for Walter Lantz at his studio (where he created Woody Woodpecker by the way), Avery was placed in charge of the rabbit project and named the rabbit "Bugs", after Hardaway. Even before that, the rabbit was known almost universally at the studio as "Bugs's Bunny". So, take Disney out of the equation, and Bugs Bunny is butterflied away. Or who knows? Perhaps Bugs is still created, although he might have developed into a completely different character than the one we know today.