In light of all the sadness in Brazil, turn it into second richest country in the Americas

With all of Brazil's problems, many people are dreading the Olympics to take place in Rio. The sad aspect is that Brazil has so much potential. Unlike the US, Brazil is taking refugees from Syria without fear of terrorism. Like the US, Brazil is a country of immigrants of from Europe, Africa (sort of), Asia, and the Middle East. Like the US, Brazil held slavery ,but instead if having a civil war, Brazil kept slavery into the 1890s, and integrated them well into the nation unlike the segregation within the American south.

But, for all this and more, Brazil is not like a United States of South America. So, with a POD of Brazil's independence, turn it into a United States of the South, but I don't mean in being a military superpower with lots of interventions, but a great provider of humanitarian aid, with the world seeing Brazil as a land of opportunity and wealth.
 
With all of Brazil's problems, many people are dreading the Olympics to take place in Rio. The sad aspect is that Brazil has so much potential. Unlike the US, Brazil is taking refugees from Syria without fear of terrorism. Like the US, Brazil is a country of immigrants of from Europe, Africa (sort of), Asia, and the Middle East. Like the US, Brazil held slavery ,but instead if having a civil war, Brazil kept slavery into the 1890s, and integrated them well into the nation unlike the segregation within the American south.

But, for all this and more, Brazil is not like a United States of South America. So, with a POD of Brazil's independence, turn it into a United States of the South, but I don't mean in being a military superpower with lots of interventions, but a great provider of humanitarian aid, with the world seeing Brazil as a land of opportunity and wealth.


Actually we abolished slavery in 1888, this was the cause of the republican coup of 1889, the crushing majority of the republicans were former slavers, so much that their cry was "REPARATIONS OR REPUBLIC"

Also, we are not receiving syrian refugees, our gonvernment blocked it a while ago, but this isn't the subject of the discussion

The easiest way to make Brazil strong is by crushing the republican cooup, after the coup we entered in the old republic that is considered the worst period of the brazilian history by many, it was a bunch of oligarchs that supressed any hope of industrialization and kept brazil as a huge farm until their demise with the 1930 revolution. Remove them and Brazil would continue industrializing
 
Actually we abolished slavery in 1888, this was the cause of the republican coup of 1889, the crushing majority of the republicans were former slavers, so much that their cry was "REPARATIONS OR REPUBLIC"

Also, we are not receiving syrian refugees, our gonvernment blocked it a while ago, but this isn't the subject of the discussion

The easiest way to make Brazil strong is by crushing the republican cooup, after the coup we entered in the old republic that is considered the worst period of the brazilian history by many, it was a bunch of oligarchs that supressed any hope of industrialization and kept brazil as a huge farm until their demise with the 1930 revolution. Remove them and Brazil would continue industrializing
So how would Brazil look by now?
 
So how would Brazil look by now?

At the worst, Russia, at the best it would be a britain of the americas

Just by removing the 1889 I can garantee that Brazil would be just behind the US here in america

A curiosity is that Emperor Peter II wrote a plan to give reparations to ex slaves after the slavery was abolished in 1888, this infuriated even more the republicans

Heck, one of them (I believe it was Joachim Constant) said: "Our objective is to create a republic, not to free the slaves"
 
At the worst, Russia, at the best it would be a britain of the americas

Just by removing the 1889 I can garantee that Brazil would be just behind the US here in america

A curiosity is that Emperor Peter II wrote a plan to give reparations to ex slaves after the slavery was abolished in 1888, this infuriated even more the republicans

Heck, one of them (I believe it was Joachim Constant) said: "Our objective is to create a republic, not to free the slaves"
I would imagine that lots of Americans would be watching the royal marriage of a Brazilian prince/princess. How far up in economic ranking, would you think Brazil would be at?
 
I would imagine that lots of Americans would be watching the royal marriage of a Brazilian prince/princess. How far up in economic ranking, would you think Brazil would be at?

According to the gata I got from 1880 Brazil had a annual growth of 8,81% with 1,08% inflation every year, our railways were the third largest expanding in the world, just behind USA and UK

I cannot give you a perfect estimative of how strong Brazil would be today, but it would be the 3th or 4th largest economy in the world
 
According to the gata I got from 1880 Brazil had a annual growth of 8,81% with 1,08% inflation every year, our railways were the third largest expanding in the world, just behind USA and UK

I cannot give you a perfect estimative of how strong Brazil would be today, but it would be the 3th or 4th largest economy in the world
So, cool!!!! How do you think Brazil would interact with the rest of the world, would it be on the security council, would it have nuclear weapons, what about a space program. Since Brazil touches the equator, Brazil would be an ideal place for space technology like a space elevator. Even launches would be ideal there.
 
I woudn't exactly say Brazil managed to integrate afro-brazilian population, I mean, there was no segregation but things like poverty, police violence and a lack of representation still affect them disproportionately, even today.
 
Well considering all the mixed people in Brazil, at least it wasn't all bad like South Africa.
 
I woudn't exactly say Brazil managed to integrate afro-brazilian population, I mean, there was no segregation but things like poverty, police violence and a lack of representation still affect them disproportionately, even today.

Actually, this affects the entire population, we can see people from all races in all situations, there is even a 1932 newsreel (I know it is outdated) in which the american narrator comments how different from america, race doesn't mean social class in Brazil

Any disturbance that we did had in the past came because of the oligharcs, without the coup Peter would have paid the reparations to the ex-slaves
 
I didn't say there weren't people of all races in all sorts of bad or good situations, only that the rates are disproportional. Oligarchs and established elites have indeed been a problem, probably the biggest as far as I'm concerned, elites don't sustain themselves vary comfortably without having anyone to point their fingers at when there is a problem.
 
Actually, this affects the entire population, we can see people from all races in all situations, there is even a 1932 newsreel (I know it is outdated) in which the american narrator comments how different from america, race doesn't mean social class in Brazil

By the standards of 1932, Brazil was indeed much more racially liberal than the United States, South Africa or many of the European colonies elsewhere. There was no formal segregation with signs designating areas for whites only, and the appearance of racially mixed social settings was a stark contrast to the United States. The legacy of slavery however did leave Brazilians of African origin economically and socially disadvantaged, particularly as they were often concentrated in the least developed parts of the country. Like much of Latin America, however the elites have tended to be overwhelmingly of European or mostly-European origin. As a result, what racial discrimination that did exist was often pointed to as based on class or caste, rather than race. The past government sought to address this imbalance, but due to the economic situation, Brazil has reverted to a situation that as predominated for much of its history with the current president and all of the ministers are what would be classified as "white". Only 2 out of 81 (2.5%) Senators are black or mixed and only 43 out of 513 (8.4%) deputies in Congress are of African ancestry. When one considers that just over 50% of the population is black or of mixed race, this shows that politically people of African ancestry are overwhelmingly underrepresented, having major effects on there position in society. Historically, Nilo Procópio Peçanha who served as Vice-President between 1906-1909 and briefly as President between 1909-1910 was often called a mulatto, and was ridiculed in the press of the day, but he denied having non-white ancestry.

The U.S. for all of its failings in the past seems to have at least attempted to address racism and its legacy head on. By a president whom would be considered "pardo" or mixed in Brazil, along with 42 (9.7%) out of 435 voting members of Congress identifying African-Americans, along with 2 non-voting members, it has become much more inclusive in government than say Brazil. In Brazil, the Senate a mere 2 (2%) out of 100 incumbent Senators are African-Americans, and though still under-represented African Americans were 12.6% of the U.S. population according to the 2010 census, whereas 50.74% of Brazilians identified as black or mixed in the 2010 census.

This problem is not wholly Brazilian, as one sees it in countries like Mexico, Peru, etc. where persons of European origin are smaller minorities than Brazil and perhaps even more overrepresented in politics, the economy and the media. However, when one simply claims that they are not racist because the lack of legal racism and the ability of a tiny number of non-whites to reach to the top of the pyramid, this often makes achieving any sort of equality difficult. Part of the legacy of Brazil's attitude towards race definitely stems from colonial times, and even in Portugal's African colonies the government often pointed to a tiny handful of Africans and mixed-race individuals in prominent positions along with the open attitudes towards mixed-race marriages as proof that they was no racism in the Portuguese Empire. For that reason, nothing was needed to be done to address it, rather if blacks were poor or disadvantaged, the government would point to the existence of poor whites and say that more needed to be done to address poverty. Meanwhile, Africans had far lower education attainment and economic opportunities than even the more explicitly racist South Africa or Rhodesia. Ironically, it has only been after abandoning its empire that non-whites have achieved their highest positions in Portugal, with the current Prime Minister being of Goan origin and the Minister of Justice being a black woman from Angola, but the more modern attitudes towards race in Portugal have undoubtedly been influenced from Europe.
 
The past government sought to address this imbalance, but due to the economic situation, Brazil has reverted to a situation that as predominated for much of its history with the current president and all of the ministers are what would be classified as "white". Only 2 out of 81 (2.5%) Senators are black or mixed and only 43 out of 513 (8.4%) deputies in Congress are of African ancestry. When one considers that just over 50% of the population is black or of mixed race, this shows that politically people of African ancestry are overwhelmingly underrepresented, having major effects on there position in society. Historically, Nilo Procópio Peçanha who served as Vice-President between 1906-1909 and briefly as President between 1909-1910 was often called a mulatto, and was ridiculed in the press of the day, but he denied having non-white ancestry.


First of all, Nilo Peçanha was a politician during the old republic, so of course he would be ridicularized, the government was composed mostly by former slavers or sons of former slavers, so this is expected (not good, I'm just saying that the government of that time was racist in it's core)

The second, this is a point that is being discussed for over half a century (and have been a priority since the worker's party got elected in 2003), but the problem is that this cannot be adressed just as percentages, we must also include the individuality of the candidates, during the worker's party it was common to appoint a minister with little to no talent just because he/she had african ancestors, there is also the fact that while black and mixed make over 50% of the population, most of the mixed have predominant european (portuguese and italian) ancestry

^ But this point isn't to be discussed here, we want to know how to make a better Brazil with a 19th century PoD, not if it is fair to elect someone just because of his ancestry
 

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Stop the republican coup and its half-way to glory. The reforms of the Viscount of Ouro Preto would proppel it straight into the 20th century.

I think the challenges from then on would be:

- The Coffee Oligarchs of Minas and São Paulo are still there and they want power.

- How much time will take for the former slaveowners to just bring foreigners and work them like slaves instead? Will the Princess Isabel allow that? It was so bad, Italy banned immigration to Brazil for a while.

- Coffeiculture in OTL lasted as long as it did because the Taubaté Convenium meant the government (owned by the Coffee Oligarchs) sustained the Coffee Planters when they needed.

- The rubber boom will come and go as IOTL.

- The military issue. The army has since dreamed of idiotic positivist military republic since the Paraguayan War. Even if Deodoro goes to prison, and maybe some of his buddies too, there's still a lot of idiots like Floriano and Glicério.

- Industrialization will probably be sped up. Especially after TTL WWI. That might cause problems on its own.

- I think Italian Syndicalism and Anarchism might become popular due to a faster industrialization. Marxism will never be a truly popular cause for the same reason as OTLs: Materialistic Atheism is not appealing to brazilians, a very religious people.

- Will the landlords take the incoming land redistribution lying down? This might get ugly.

- There's a incoming crisis spinning out of the mess Europe will soon be. The events of WWI won't be straight equal, but yeah it will happen more or less the same.

- The world will prob be more or less the same until the 1910. A revitalized Brazilian Empire will probably drawn in more immigrants. Some people in WWI might find themselves in Brazil instead. I'm thinking big italian and german figures with poor origins, maybe japanese and portuguese too. Any takers?

- Will this butterfly the rise of Peron? Because if it does: DUELING SOUTH-AMERICAN INDUSTRIALIZING POWERS! There was Brazilian-Argentinian tensions until WWII and they were richer IOTL then, but Brazil vastly surpassed them later. Could we have a South American industrial war?

- The interwar years will be where the butterflies play. Brazil got a lot of immigration at the time, if its doing well it will look very attractive.

- Brazil might have a bigger part in WWII. Of course... WWII against who? Nazis? German fascists? Prussian militarists? Resurgent monarchist Germany?
 
- I think Italian Syndicalism and Anarchism might become popular due to a faster industrialization. Marxism will never be a truly popular cause for the same reason as OTLs: Materialistic Atheism is not appealing to brazilians, a very religious people.
The same could be said about the Orthodox Russians, or the Catholic Cubans. I also think that Communism wouldn't gain the upper hand in Brazil, but never doubt the capability of adapting what might be seen as a Atheist theory into the more religious nature of Brazilians. After all, we were the country that took Positivism and created the Positivist Church! Also, the Liberation Theology was extremely influential here, and it surely had Marxism as its root.
 
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