Impact On US Presidential Politics Post 1900 Of An Independent CSA?

How would the complexion of the United States' Presidency have changed without the Southeners basically?
No Bushes and no Gore just to mention a few!
 
Don't be in such a hurry about the Bushs.

The first prominent Bush is US Senator Vanevar Bush - from Connecticut. The Bushs are, in fact, an old New England family.

Prominent US Politicians:

William Jennings Bryan is from Nebraska.
Theodore Roosevelt is from New York.
Henry Cabot Lodge is from Massachusetts.
Robert M. LaFollete is from Wisconsin.
Hiram W. Johnson is from California.
Warren G. Harding is from Ohio.
Calvin Cooldige is from Massachusetts (born in New Hampshire).
Franklin Roosevelt is from New York.
Herbert Hoover is from California (born in Ohio).
Thomas E. Dewey is from New York.
The Kennedys: John, Robert, Edward (and Joseph Jr.) are (originally) from Massachusetts.
Hubert H. Humphrey is from Minnesota.
Richard Nixon is from California.
Ronald Reagan is from California (born in Illinois).
Bush I and II (see above).
John F. Kerry is from Massachusetts.
Oh, and Hilary Rodham is from Illinois (OTL, Mrs. Bill Clinton).

Prominent CSA Politicians:

T. Woodrow Wilson is from Virginia.
William G. MacAdoo is from Kentucky.
William Underwood is from Georgia.
Theodore Bilbo is from Mississippi.
Huey P. Long is from Louisiana.
Harry S. Truman is from Missouri.
Dwight D. Eisenhower is from Texas (assuming 1840's German immigration in this TL).
J. Strom Thurmond is from South Carolina.
Lyndon B. Johnson is from Texas.
George Wallace is from Alabama.
Jimmy Carter is from Georgia.
Howard Baker is from Tennessee.
John C. Stennis is from Mississippi.
Robert Dole is from Kansas.
William Jefferson Blythe, Jr. (OTL Bill Clinton) is from Arkansas.
Albert W. Gore is from Tennessee.

And Mr. Obama is, probably, President in neither the USA nor the CSA (If he is even born - in that his mother would be from CSA Kansas...).

You can make similar birth-place lists for WWII generals too.
 
What are we to regard as the CSA? It could be a big deal as to whether Kentucky, Indian Territory, and Missouri remain in the north or end up in the Confederacy.
 
Man, that means that basically 3/4 of all influential politicans (sans the Kennedys, Nixon, and Roosevelt) from 1930 onwards are cut out of the picture.
 
The first prominent Bush is US Senator Vanevar Bush - from Connecticut. The Bushs are, in fact, an old New England family.

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And Mr. Obama is, probably, President in neither the USA nor the CSA (If he is even born - in that his mother would be from CSA Kansas...).

You can make similar birth-place lists for WWII generals too.

Kansas going with the CSA while the USA survives into the twentieth century is ASB. Kansas was a free state.
 
Kansas was in the Union during the ACW.

Kentucky and Missouri I doubt would be part of the Confederacy as well.

What about Confederate President Al Gore. :p
 
Kansas was in the Union during the ACW.

Kentucky and Missouri I doubt would be part of the Confederacy as well.

What about Confederate President Al Gore. :p
Truman was descended in part from Confederates, however. They could move. More likely is he is butterflied away, as is most of the people on this list.
 
The real question is "which" CSA are we talking about.

And, yes, I know that Kansas was a “free-state” - in OTL.


Although, in OTL’s history (See “Bloody Kansas”) it was a “near” thing. (For that matter, in OTL, Tennessee voted 52-48 to secede – arguably that was a “near” thing too.)

I guess, if we’re trying to parse which politicians would be “North” and which “South”– we have to also establish ”which” victorious-and- independent CSA we’re talking about?

The Turtledove CSA? If so, which one: The “Timeline-191” CSA or “The Guns of the South” CSA?

Or, maybe, we’re talking Ward Moore’s “Bring the Jubilee” CSA?

In Moore’s AH, the CSA is completely victorious. Lee not only wins at Gettysburg, but ends the war with a great Union defeat at Philadelphia. Moore’s CSA is world superpower whose dominion includes Delaware, Maryland, Washington DC, West Virginia (rejoined to Virginia, minus the Wheeling panhandle), Kentucky, Missouri, Kansas, the Colorado Territory, the New Mexico Territory, and California – plus Mexico and Central America too!

Once we can “agree” on the borders, we can then agree as to which politicians (assuming the 20th Century ones aren't all “butterfly-ed” away) would be “North” or “South.”

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And, for what it’s worth, here’s a partial list of 1939-1945 US (OTL) Military Commanders broken out by "CSA" vs. “Union” (Ages [54] are apx. age in 1939 – States indicated are their birth states).

"CSA" commanders:

George C. Marshall [59] (Va.) 1880-1959 VMI-1901
(FFV - albeit Pro-Union in Kentucky in 1861; Marshall was born and raised in Pennsylvania; Grad. from Virginia Military Institute)
Chester A. Nimitz [54] (Tex.) 1885-1966 USNA-1905
(Note: Nimitz originally, in 1904, sought appointment to the USMA)
Raymond A. Spruance [53] (Md.) 1886-1969 USNA-1906
Courtney Hodges [52] (Ga.) 1887-1966 USMA-1906
George S. Patton [54] (SC) 1885-1945d USMA-1909
William H. Simpson [51] (Tex.) 1888-1980 USMA-1909
Alexander M. Patch [52] (Tex.) 1889-1945k USMA-1913
Claire Chennault [46] (Tex.) 1893-1958 ArmyROTC-1910
Omar N. Bradley [46] (Mo.) 1893-1971 USMA-1915
David Dwight Eisenhower [49] (Tex.) 1890-1966 USMA-1915
(In OTL, too, Eisenhower’s actual name was David Dwight)
Lucius D. Clay [42] (Ga.) 1897-1978 USMA-1918
Lewis B. Puller [41] (Va.) 1898-1971 MarineOCS-1919

"Union" commanders:

William D. Leahy [64] (Iowa) 1875-1959 USNA-1897
Stanley D. Embrick [62] (Pa.) 1877-1957 USMA-1899
Ernest J. King [61] (Ohio) 1878-1956 USNA-1901
Douglas A. MacArthur [59] (NY) 1880-1964 USMA-1903
William F. Halsey [57] (NJ) 1882-1959 USNA-1904
Joseph Stillwell [56] (NJ) 1883-1946 USMA-1904
Frank J. Fletcher [54] (Iowa) 1885-1973 USNA-1906
Henry H. Arnold [53] (Pa.) 1886-1950 USMA-1907
Jacob L. Devers [52] (Pa.) 1887-1979 USMA-1909
Robert L. Eichelberger [53] (Ohio) 1886-1961 USMA-1909
Mark W. Clark [43] (NY) 1896-1984 USMA-1917
Matthew B. Ridgway [44] (Mass.) 1895-1993 USMA-1917
(Born - OTL - in Virginia, father a career military officer; But, applied to West Point from Boston, MA.)
James H. Doolittle [43] (Cal.) 1896-1993 A-ocs-1918
Albert C. Wedemeyer [42] (Neb.) 1897-1989 USMA-1919
Curtis E. LeMay [33] (Ohio) 1906-1990 ArmyNG-1929
 
The first prominent Bush is US Senator Vanevar Bush - from Connecticut. The Bushs are, in fact, an old New England family.

Prominent US Politicians:

William Jennings Bryan is from Nebraska.
Theodore Roosevelt is from New York.
Henry Cabot Lodge is from Massachusetts.
Robert M. LaFollete is from Wisconsin.
Hiram W. Johnson is from California.
Warren G. Harding is from Ohio.
Calvin Cooldige is from Massachusetts (born in New Hampshire).
Franklin Roosevelt is from New York.
Herbert Hoover is from California (born in Ohio).
Thomas E. Dewey is from New York.
The Kennedys: John, Robert, Edward (and Joseph Jr.) are (originally) from Massachusetts.
Hubert H. Humphrey is from Minnesota.
Richard Nixon is from California.
Ronald Reagan is from California (born in Illinois).
Bush I and II (see above).
John F. Kerry is from Massachusetts.
Oh, and Hilary Rodham is from Illinois (OTL, Mrs. Bill Clinton).

Prominent CSA Politicians:

T. Woodrow Wilson is from Virginia.
William G. MacAdoo is from Kentucky.
William Underwood is from Georgia.
Theodore Bilbo is from Mississippi.
Huey P. Long is from Louisiana.
Harry S. Truman is from Missouri.
Dwight D. Eisenhower is from Texas (assuming 1840's German immigration in this TL).
J. Strom Thurmond is from South Carolina.
Lyndon B. Johnson is from Texas.
George Wallace is from Alabama.
Jimmy Carter is from Georgia.
Howard Baker is from Tennessee.
John C. Stennis is from Mississippi.
Robert Dole is from Kansas.
William Jefferson Blythe, Jr. (OTL Bill Clinton) is from Arkansas.
Albert W. Gore is from Tennessee.

And Mr. Obama is, probably, President in neither the USA nor the CSA (If he is even born - in that his mother would be from CSA Kansas...).

You can make similar birth-place lists for WWII generals too.

Also possible is Cornelius Calvin Sale Jr of North Carolina. Somehow he never has to leave North Carolina(mother does not die?) and does not become Robert Byrd of WV.
 
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