"Immigrant-rich" North America without colonialism?

If European colonization of North America didn't happen or on a much smaller scale (say, no great imported plagues, the Anglos never move west from the Appalachians, the Spanish take everything else but then get beaten back by a wave of decolonization by the native nations, etc), so that today most of North America would be made up of native nation-states and confederacies, do you think there still would have been immigration into the new world with immigrants applying in large numbers for citizenship in these nations?

Is it likely that several native nations would embrace intercontinental immigration, would "isolationism" prevail (like we see, say, in Japan), would European interest to live in the new world be much more limited with such different cultures in charge (though I imagine in either case foreign corproations would try to "colonize" the land for its resources either way) ?
 
Why would Europeans (or Asians or Africans) want to migrate to a completely alien culture?
I could see a limited number of Africans being sold as slaves to the natives but that's about it.
 
Why would Europeans (or Asians or Africans) want to migrate to a completely alien culture?
I could see a limited number of Africans being sold as slaves to the natives but that's about it.
Why would the Chinese migrate to the Philippines, an alien culture? Business opportunities, mostly.
 
You have to deal with the disease problem first, any cultures from Eurasia and Africa that comes to the Americas is going to be devastating. Now it will create the false impression that there is land for the taking and many peoples from Eurasia and North Africa would love fertile land that they don't have to kill others for. That lasts until they find out that there are people still there. The question is how do both sides respond?
 
You have to deal with the disease problem first, any cultures from Eurasia and Africa that comes to the Americas is going to be devastating. Now it will create the false impression that there is land for the taking and many peoples from Eurasia and North Africa would love fertile land that they don't have to kill others for. That lasts until they find out that there are people still there. The question is how do both sides respond?
I admit that removing disease from the equation is far-fetched - though given that there were occasional contacts between the continents prior to Columbus maaaybe natives could have developed some resistance before more Eurasians are coming...? Yeah, truth is for this scenario it would be cool if we could just agree on a "what if?" scenario where the natives have a fighting chance and enough dumb luck to remain sovereign, just so we can get to the political/economic/cultural stuff.
 
Why would Europeans (or Asians or Africans) want to migrate to a completely alien culture?
I could see a limited number of Africans being sold as slaves to the natives but that's about it.
Some peoples (especially english indurent-servant) prefered the relative freedom offered by the native style of life.
 
I admit that removing disease from the equation is far-fetched - though given that there were occasional contacts between the continents prior to Columbus maaaybe natives could have developed some resistance before more Eurasians are coming...? Yeah, truth is for this scenario it would be cool if we could just agree on a "what if?" scenario where the natives have a fighting chance and enough dumb luck to remain sovereign, just so we can get to the political/economic/cultural stuff.
Other than the few attempts by the Norse, which all failed there were, as far as we know not that many. Also there may have been some contact with Pacific Islanders but they were just as vulnerable to disease as the peoples of the Americas. Before that its just conjecture and speculation at this point. We have no real hard evidence that may not have been faked at this point for contact prior to the Norse or even afterward until Columbus. I have heard the arguments and they are interesting, cocaine and hash in mummies in Egyptian mummies, Roman artifacts in the Gulf of Mexico, Irish language carvings in New Mexico, a Norse coin in Maine. The thing is how many of these are fake? False readings, and how come there is no writings of, let alone maps of contact with the Americas.

Now if disease is not an issue, as you want see what happened to Africa and Asia with the Europeans, some may get lucky. Your guess is as good as mine as to who, but remove disease you end up getting the situation prior to the 1885 Berlin conference that divided Africa. Eventually the Americas get colonized not unlike Africa and Asia
 
Other than the few attempts by the Norse, which all failed there were, as far as we know not that many. Also there may have been some contact with Pacific Islanders but they were just as vulnerable to disease as the peoples of the Americas. Before that its just conjecture and speculation at this point. We have no real hard evidence that may not have been faked at this point for contact prior to the Norse or even afterward until Columbus. I have heard the arguments and they are interesting, cocaine and hash in mummies in Egyptian mummies, Roman artifacts in the Gulf of Mexico, Irish language carvings in New Mexico, a Norse coin in Maine. The thing is how many of these are fake? False readings, and how come there is no writings of, let alone maps of contact with the Americas.

Now if disease is not an issue, as you want see what happened to Africa and Asia with the Europeans, some may get lucky. Your guess is as good as mine as to who, but remove disease you end up getting the situation prior to the 1885 Berlin conference that divided Africa. Eventually the Americas get colonized not unlike Africa and Asia
Well, in that case we at least get a properly "de-colonized" North America as well by the 20th century, probably. There might even be an Apartheid-type struggle in North American countries with a large settler population, etc.

Though at that point I wonder if claims that North America had "perfect" geography (Peter Zeihan says there were at least 4 regions which were almost guaranteed to evolve into superpowers, or a really fat one if put together) could also work for native nations. Would it be possible, even "inevitable" for say an industrialized Great plains/Mississippi confederation to become wealthy and powerful enough to evolve into something eerily similar to the United States (and just as diverse)? That sort of thing.
 
Well, in that case we at least get a properly "de-colonized" North America as well by the 20th century, probably. There might even be an Apartheid-type struggle in North American countries with a large settler population, etc.

Though at that point I wonder if claims that North America had "perfect" geography (Peter Zeihan says there were at least 4 regions which were almost guaranteed to evolve into superpowers, or a really fat one if put together) could also work for native nations. Would it be possible, even "inevitable" for say an industrialized Great plains/Mississippi confederation to become wealthy and powerful enough to evolve into something eerily similar to the United States (and just as diverse)? That sort of thing.
That I do not know, it really would depend on how decolonization occurs and if the states left are large enough to have power and influence
 
Well, in that case we at least get a properly "de-colonized" North America as well by the 20th century, probably. There might even be an Apartheid-type struggle in North American countries with a large settler population, etc.

Though at that point I wonder if claims that North America had "perfect" geography (Peter Zeihan says there were at least 4 regions which were almost guaranteed to evolve into superpowers, or a really fat one if put together) could also work for native nations. Would it be possible, even "inevitable" for say an industrialized Great plains/Mississippi confederation to become wealthy and powerful enough to evolve into something eerily similar to the United States (and just as diverse)? That sort of thing.

If you have the Mississippi, you have the Plains. Once you get your gunpowder empire-type thing going, you'll eventually be able to overcome the Plains nomads (we'll just assume that horses were imported as well). Hell, they might not even get started to ever become a significant threat.

The problem is uniting the Mississippi basin to begin with, since there's several different cultural and linguistic groups present.

Speaking of which, I could see these Mississippians importing many African slaves as well if they aren't able to keep up demands with their own slaves.

But I think there would be significant discrimination against European immigrants, probably on the scale of what Americans thought of Chinese and other Asians. This will keep immigration numbers artificially low. For that matter, I could see West Coast states doing the same with Chinese and other Asians.
 
Could native confederacies cut deals with would be colonists to give them land in return for technical skills?
Giving, say, gunsmiths land could be a big military boost, for example.
 
I think this sort of situation might be imaginable. I'm thinking of parallels with Southeast Asia up to decolonization in the mid-20th century, which was thinly populated in most places outside select population concentrations (the island of Java, for instance) and where immigrants did come in large numbers but rarely in enough numbers to overwhelm the local populations.
 
I think this sort of situation might be imaginable. I'm thinking of parallels with Southeast Asia up to decolonization in the mid-20th century, which was thinly populated in most places outside select population concentrations (the island of Java, for instance) and where immigrants did come in large numbers but rarely in enough numbers to overwhelm the local populations.

The difference is that unlike Southeast Asia, North America is quite inviting to Europeans in terms of climate and land available. There obviously needs to be some way of stopping this.

As I noted above, I think this scenario would have our alt-Mississippians overwhelming the local cultures of the Great Plains.

Whatever happens in California and the PNW is probably going to favour the Chinese. Maybe a Lanfang Republic-type situation might arise. But that demands a culture rapidly evolving to the point where Chinese merchants and others move in, which I'm assuming our scenario of "no/minimal diseases" (borderline ASB but I'll roll with it) but European technology, crops, trade links, etc. would entail.
 
Is it a pod where Norse interaction with the Americas was much more intense but less hostile than Europeans after the 15th century,allowing the natives to acclimatize to Old World disease and adapt old world technology?
 
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