Imagine Hitler died in ww1 - alternate timeline after 1918

What if Hitler dies in a battle of WW1 ?
I have made a alternate timeline about what could have happend.
Any ideas, thoughts they are welcome.


1918 WW1 ends with the peace talks. Army's goe back to their homelands. German, Austrian, Russian troops are frustrated as are also the people of their country's.

1919 german SPD and Communist join forces to make Germany into a socialist state. They seize power andform the German Socialist Republik (GSR). Company's , farms ect are being nationalized. Payments according to the versaille treaty are being stopped.

1920 GSR troops are being send to the eastern borders to attack Poland to help their Russian allies in the Polish Sovjet war that started in 1919. Poland is defeated and spilt up between GSR and CCCP.

1920 France, Belgium, Holland, Denmark Mobilize troops and strengthen their borders.

1920 Civil war in Austria GSR and CCCP support the ASP (Austrian Socialist Party) against their fights for power against the more democratic party's. ASP wins and takes over the country. 31 dec the Anschluss with the GSR is a fact. Austria stops excisting. The new name of the country is United Socialist German Republik (USGR)

1921 Italy, Hungaria and rest of europe mobilize their troops and send they to the borders with USGR/CCCP.

1922 1jan . USGR invades czechoslovakia to return their people home, 2 weeks later czechoslovakia has been annexxed. Hungaria also invades czechoslovakia and takes some territory,

Luxemburg and Switserland are being invaded by the USGR and 4 weeks later they surrender and become a part of the USGR.

1922 march CCCP invades the baltic states and Rumania. Baltic states capitulates after 1 week and rumania war lasts 3 months before thet capitulate.

1922 nov. USGR invades Hungaria and 2 weeks later they capitulate.

1922 ostkantons return to USGR

1922 USGR demaned Elzas Lotharingen back from France. France refuses.
England and US are neutral in this conflict. United league of nations (slow as always) accept a statemant against USGR and CCCP asking them to withdraw to their 1919 borders. As a resrult USGR and CCCp leave the league of nations.

1922 nov USGR and CCCP attack France via the eastern borders. Heavy Casuality's due to gas attacks in city's and by carpet bombing on both sides. Paris overrun in december 1922 France capitulates 31 december 1922.

1923 1 Jan. Française République Socialiste (FRS) founded. Elzas, Lotharingen are part of the USGR now. End of 1923 majority of USGR and CCCP return home and are being demobilized.

1922-1924 Belgium, Holland are in talks of becoming one country again. The new United Kingdom of the Netherlands is being founded on may 15 1924. brussels will be the new capital.

1925 Holland and Denmark demobilize, trade is increasing with the USGR and FRS.

1925 14 july, French troops revolt in Marseille against the FRS, more places follow durig the weeks, Provence, Nizza, Languedoc, Dauphine declare independent and start the Free french republik (FFR)

1925 august civil war between the FRS and FFR , more states join the FFR untill the border is formed by the rivers charente and via clermont ferrant to the rhone. France spilts up between 2 nations the FFR and FSR

1926 Bretange declares independece and after a short but fierce war the Bretange République Indépendante (BRI) has been founded.

1927 FFR and BRI join the league of Nations.

1929 Wall street crash.
 

Laurentia

Banned
This could not have happened. Not in the slightest. I'm too tired to write up a list of several thousand reasons why, so someone else can.
 
This could not have happened. Not in the slightest. I'm too tired to write up a list of several thousand reasons why, so someone else can.

Agreed, as different of a timeline that it is, and one that I would be highly interested in but its comepletely implausible. Sorry mate
 
Question...

The key question is whether you think that the death of a single individual (whether as pivotal in OTL as Hitler or not) will create such huge differences, divergences or "butterflies", as some call them, as to create a timeline almost unrecognisable from ours.

Some argue that it does, others maintain that it's about the "great forces" of history. There have been timelines on here which have argued convincingly that Hitler's death wouldn't have changed very much. Germany would still have lost WW1, Weimar would still have been weak (there's a similar question asked about the difference if Gustav Stresemann had lived) and some form of authoritarian leader determined to reverse the perceived wrongs of Versailles would have emerged.

All I will say is that the further back you go in history, the more you could argue the actions of individuals are significant. Take Hastings in 1066 - it's pretty obvious to me that had William died and Harold lived, history would have been very different.
 
During weimar communist/socialists and nationalists were fighting, Hitler was the one who made the difference. If he died in ww1 things would have definitely changed.

All over europe there were riots and like what we see not in the middle east and africa is that one revolution triggers another one.

I know this timeline is fictional, but it could have happend in one way or the other,

In holland the SDAP wanted to revolt, in france, austria the socialist party;s were also fighting for reforms... and if y can imagine what happend in russia that there is a slight possibility that it could have happen also in germany and austria, (there was a russian polish war from 1919-1921) and think about the hate between france and germany than things could have turned this way.

Even intill now a large group of germans want back the elzas/lotharingen and sudetenland. preussen , pommern ect...
 
Well, the death of a single soldier can change a lot of things.

If, for example, I were to go back to 1914 to the trenches of World War I, and I killed a random German soldier, that soldier may have at one point killed an enemy that may have killed a higher ranking officer had he not been killed.
 

Laurentia

Banned
During weimar communist/socialists and nationalists were fighting, Hitler was the one who made the difference. If he died in ww1 things would have definitely changed.

All over europe there were riots and like what we see not in the middle east and africa is that one revolution triggers another one.

I know this timeline is fictional, but it could have happend in one way or the other,

In holland the SDAP wanted to revolt, in france, austria the socialist party;s were also fighting for reforms... and if y can imagine what happend in russia that there is a slight possibility that it could have happen also in germany and austria, (there was a russian polish war from 1919-1921) and think about the hate between france and germany than things could have turned this way.

Even intill now a large group of germans want back the elzas/lotharingen and sudetenland. preussen , pommern ect...

Germany after WWI did not have the capability, capacity, or power to launch another war in Europe.
 
1919 german SPD and Communist join forces to make Germany into a socialist state. They seize power andform the German Socialist Republik (GSR). Company's , farms ect are being nationalized. Payments according to the versaille treaty are being stopped.

Unless you remove Ebert and the branch of the SPD that "hated Revolution like sin" you won't have that. And Liebknecht et al didn't love the SPD too much, either. And they weren't THAT strong to make a revolution.

Furthermore, if you stop paying, you have the French invading the Ruhr. Remember what happened in 1923.

The rest just collapses failling this premise.

And Hitler didn't play any role in the events of 1919.
 
similar ultra nationalists will emerge; the right wing will just coalesce around someone else

Perhaps, I was just mentioning something Hitler did in the early 20's as he (the creator of this thread) suggested that Hitler was not important and that he was unactive until the late 1920's which is not true.
 
Hitkler was the one who got the middle classes attention, and also support from the army because of his speaking skills.
He was the one who transformed the dsp into the nsdap.
he reorganized it and surrounded him with wize man (as he thought)
he also organized the SA together with rohm

he was the one who made the statemants, we need a new army, we will stop the payments and want our territory back.
 

arlindi193

Banned
What if Hitler dies in a battle of WW1 ?
I have made a alternate timeline about what could have happend.
Any ideas, thoughts they are welcome.

1918 WW1 ends with the peace talks. Army's goe back to their homelands. German, Austrian, Russian troops are frustrated as are also the people of their country's.

1919 german SPD and Communist join forces to make Germany into a socialist state. They seize power andform the German Socialist Republik (GSR). Company's , farms ect are being nationalized. Payments according to the versaille treaty are being stopped.

1920 GSR troops are being send to the eastern borders to attack Poland to help their Russian allies in the Polish Sovjet war that started in 1919. Poland is defeated and spilt up between GSR and CCCP.

1920 France, Belgium, Holland, Denmark Mobilize troops and strengthen their borders.

1920 Civil war in Austria GSR and CCCP support the ASP (Austrian Socialist Party) against their fights for power against the more democratic party's. ASP wins and takes over the country. 31 dec the Anschluss with the GSR is a fact. Austria stops excisting. The new name of the country is United Socialist German Republik (USGR)

1921 Italy, Hungaria and rest of europe mobilize their troops and send they to the borders with USGR/CCCP.

1922 1jan . USGR invades czechoslovakia to return their people home, 2 weeks later czechoslovakia has been annexxed. Hungaria also invades czechoslovakia and takes some territory,

Luxemburg and Switserland are being invaded by the USGR and 4 weeks later they surrender and become a part of the USGR.

1922 march CCCP invades the baltic states and Rumania. Baltic states capitulates after 1 week and rumania war lasts 3 months before thet capitulate.

1922 nov. USGR invades Hungaria and 2 weeks later they capitulate. and in december Hungaria is now Communist is now USHR

1922 ostkantons return to USGR

1922 USGR demaned Elzas Lotharingen back from France. France refuses.
England and US are neutral in this conflict. United league of nations (slow as always) accept a statemant against USGR and CCCP asking them to withdraw to their 1919 borders. As a resrult USGR and CCCp leave the league of nations.

1922 nov USGR and CCCP attack France via the eastern borders. Heavy Casuality's due to gas attacks in city's and by carpet bombing on both sides. Paris overrun in december 1922 France capitulates 31 december 1922.

1923 1 Jan. Française République Socialiste (FRS) founded. Elzas, Lotharingen are part of the USGR now. End of 1923 majority of USGR and CCCP return home and are being demobilized.

1922-1924 Belgium, Holland are in talks of becoming one country again. The new United Kingdom of the Netherlands is being founded on may 15 1924. brussels will be the new capital.

1925 Holland and Denmark demobilize, trade is increasing with the USGR and FRS.

1925 14 july, French troops revolt in Marseille against the FRS, more places follow durig the weeks, Provence, Nizza, Languedoc, Dauphine declare independent and start the Free french republik (FFR)

1925 august civil war between the FRS and FFR , more states join the FFR untill the border is formed by the rivers charente and via clermont ferrant to the rhone. France spilts up between 2 nations the FFR and FSR

1926 Bretange declares independece and after a short but fierce war the Bretange République Indépendante (BRI) has been founded.

1927 FFR and BRI join the league of Nations.

1929 Wall street crash

1930 Swiserland becomes indapendant USGR invades Low Countries and FSR invades FFR

1931 Civil War is Out Break in all in the balkans

1932 Kingdom of Yugoslavia is Now PDSRY People's Democratice Socialist Republic of Yougoslavia

1933 Kingdom of Greece is now PDSRG People Democratice Republic of Greece and PDSRY Changed the Name from Yugoslavia to Serbia PDSRS

1934 Bulgaria is now PDRB Peoples Democratic Republic of Bulgaria

1935 USSR Invades the Baltic and Finland

1936 USSR invades Manchuckuo and Japan and Japan is PRJ Peoples Republic of Japan and in Korea is PDRK People Democratic Republic of Korea

1937 Chechozslovakia is Divided become PSDRB (Peoples Socialist Democratic Republic of Bhoemia and PSRS (Peoples Socialist Republic of Slovakia

1938 PSDRB Sold Sudtenland to USGR

1939 Italy have turned into a Civil war Between Fascist Italy and Communist italy and Republican Spain Wons the Civil war and Franco is Executed and Spain is now a Communist Country USRS and PDSRG and PDSRS invades Albania and DivIDE Albania North to PDSRS and South to PDSRG

1940 PRJ (Japan) invades Phillipines and Communist Italy won the Civil war Mussolini was Executed and Italy is USRI and Portugal is Communist and is now USRP

1941 PRJ (Japan) invades Indonesia and Malaysia and USSR, PRJ, USGR, FSR and USRI Declare War on England and USA. Italy invades Malta, USGR invades Denmark, USSR starts battle of Alaska, PRJ (Japan) starts battle of Pearl Harbor and Stalin starts the World War 2

1942 PRJ won the Battle of Pearl Harbor and invades Hawaii

1943 USSR Capture Anchorage, PRJ Plan an Invaison of Australia and New Zealand, USGR plan an invaison of Britain and ireland

1944 USGR Troops landed on Brighton and Hove in England

1945 USGR Captured London

1945 PSRG and USSR invades turkey and Kurdistan is Liberated Turkey is a Puppet State now called SRT Istanbul, Izmir, Pontus is Part of Greece Istanbul is Renamed Constantinople and Izmir is Renamed Smyrna

1946 USSR win a Victory at Battle of Alaska Alaska IS Part of USSR and USGR Invades Britain and Ireland and Annex it and Takes all of the Colonies of it Execept for India and Pakistan, and israel is liberated by communists and israel is USIR United Socialist Israeli Republic and Jordan is Part of USIR

1947 PRJ captured Northern Australia, India and Pakistan is Indapendant, USIR invades all of Arabian Peninsula

1948 India is in the Outbreak of the Civil War between Union Party of India and Communist India

1949 Comunist China Wins the Civil war the name is PRC

1950 Communist india wins te Civil war Ghandi is Killed and India is PRI, China invades Tibet

1951 PRI invades Pakistan and Burma and PRJ Invades Australia and New Zealand

1952 USSR Invades Persia and Persia Becomes a Puppet State of USSA and Persia is Names USRP and Albania Declare Indapendant and is now Communist is now USAR

1952 USSR Starts an Invasion of Canada and USA. PRC invades Indochina and Siam/Thailand

1953 USSR Captures Yukon, Northwest Territories, British Columbia and Seattle, Oregon Northern California and Noth West America PRJ Sold Indonesia, Malaysia, Australia, Taiwan and New Zealand to PRC

1954 Mexico is Ongiong a Civil war Between Cemocrats and Comuunists

1955 Communist Mexico Captures Mexico City

1956 Comunist Won the Civil War in Mexico and Mexico is USRM

1957 California is Divided North is to USSR the South to USRM and Cuba is Ongoing a Civil war

1958 USRM invades Arizona, New Mexico and Texas, USSR in invades Idaho, Utah, Alberta, Sacwetan, North and South Dakota, Montana, Inuit Territory, Colarado and Big Chunks of Western USA

1959 Communist Cuba Wons the Civil war and Cuba is now USRC

1960 USSR invades Manitoba, Minnesota, Big CHunks of Midwestern USA, Illionois and USSR Captures Chicago, Lousiana

1961 JFK is Elected a Presiident of USA and JFK Declare War on USRC and Plan an invasion of Cuba and Stalin Dies at the age of 82 and Succeded by Nikita Khurschev

1962 Cuba Invades Florida USSR , USSR invades Canada Canada is Surrender to USSR, USSR invades Michigan, Northeast USA but USSR lans an invaisonn of New York City

1963 New York City is Captured By USSR and New York City is Renamed to New Moscow City and Boston is Rename to New Leningrad

1964 USSR wons the Battle and the Vicotry in the USA and USA is Surrender to USSR and Kennedy is the Prisioner of the war and Soviets won the World war 2

1965 All Latin American Countries is Communist and John F. Kennedy all kennedy families and Dwight Einsenhower, Richard Nixon Harry S Truman ix now Executed in Moscow, Russia FSR, USSR

1966 USSR invades Sweden

1967 USSR invades Norway

1968 Communists Declare Victory OVER THE wORLD AND THE DAWN OF THE COMMUNIST WORLD
 
Last edited:
So Hitler dies and the entire world falls to communism, eh?

Who would have ever thought that Hitler was the key to the triumph of democracy.:p
 
Sorry but as posted earlier if the Pod is the death of Hitler in WWI and only that, well it's impossible that the effect will be feeled immediately, he was a simple corporal nothing more it's very very very hard (ok ASB) believing that this simple act will bring the a different end of WWI and even more bring a communist Germany.
Now the absence of Adolf bringing an authoritarian goverment (probably elected or simple the army is 'asked' to step in) in Germany by the 30's who begin to gradually increase military spending and challenge the Versailles terms is one thing but almost surely not with the type of gambling of old Adolf is one thing, but your scenario, to use an euphemis is really really unlikely.
 
I assume that a nasty authoritarian reactionary regime takes power but one which does not want to start a World war or muder on an industrial scale
 
First off there is simply no way that Hitler dying early could possibly butterfly a communist Germany in 1919. Killing an additional 10,000 German soldiers would not produce that effect so why exactly does killing a man who will still be a corporal in 1919 do it?

Also every communist revolt succeeds. Every invasion of a non communist state succeeds. There are no failed revolutions. Every newly conquered country tamely accepts their defeat and the new regime. All these countries are easily assimilated and there is no trouble at all making everyone in them communists overnight. There are no counter revolutions or guerrilla wars and the rest of the world just sits back and watches as one country after another falls?

If it were really that easy the Romans or Napoleon or the British would have conquered the whole world at some point.
 
Top