If they will not meet us on the open sea (a Trent TL)

Saphroneth

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Honestly... it seems a fairly reasonable design. Would be fairly low in the water so not exactly an easy target and the torpedoes would let it kill enemy vessels quite effectively. Honestly, it reminds me of WWI/WWII submarines... without the ability to submerge.
Yes, and when built it was a fairly workable ship (though remarkably silly looking). The problem is that the QF gun came in not long after it did, and so suddenly it was very vulnerable to that kind of attack as it had little armour and as it had such a small amount of reserve bouyancy.
 

Saphroneth

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I don't want to get too caught up in looking at the start of the TL, so I'm thinking of moving on to 1865. Among the things I should cover there's the Afghanistan Business (an expedition's been percolating for some time), some more stuff with Japan (the hiring on of some old British and French soldiers, the former for musketry and the latter for elan), more deadlock in Germany, and the Ottomans doing something rather outstandingly liberal involving homosexuality.

Also, of course, Jesse James being rained on.
 

Saphroneth

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Oh, here's a question that probably needs expert opinion... what the heck is going to happen to Alaska?

McClellan's administration, elected on a mandate of "fix the budget and the army at the same time" isn't going to want to pay much at all for it...
 
Oh, here's a question that probably needs expert opinion... what the heck is going to happen to Alaska?

McClellan's administration, elected on a mandate of "fix the budget and the army at the same time" isn't going to want to pay much at all for it...
I'd suppose it depends on how desperate the Russians are to sell.
 
And who they sell to, and if they can afford to pay. At least one possibility is Arteaga de Mexico.
Well, Wiki (I know, I know) makes it sound like the no one but the Americans were prepared to pay that much for it. So perhaps the Russians gamble on no war with Britain or settle on a knockdown price as that means that at least they get a bit of cash?
 
Mexico can't afford Alaska. The deal Max signed with France to get him on the throne is ruinous, he'll be paying the French a huge portion of his budget for a very long time.
 
I think Alaska stays Russian until/unless they go to war with Britain. Selling it to Britain would be politically unacceptable so soon after losing Poland and the US can't afford it at the moment.
 
Canada and the US and the CSA are not far away (closer than the Russian heartland) and when in 1898 or so, gold is discovered, plan on lots of non-Russian adventurers showing up and an Incident developing. I imagine that by then ATL all three powers will have naval squadrons nearby. What happens next would depend on the wisdom of the Czar's government, and the aggressiveness of the other powers. It looks like the Germans will be rather less threatening to Britain and the Russians somewhat less stable, given the Polish situation, so a second war between the British Empire and Russia could happen.
 

Saphroneth

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Basically there's four paths Alaska could go.

1) Purchase. The US isn't all that interested at the moment, but they're not the only option - a purchase as part of Confederation for Canada is another possibility, the CSA might consider it (though it is far too cold for normal slavery) and of course there might be an European power or two who decides to drop the money - say, if Germany ever sorts itself out enough to go for major overseas colonies. Maybe even, if purchase remains on the table, Japan...
2) Remain Russian. Simple enough, it's just a backwater. "Overseas Siberia" in effect.
3) Crisis. When the mineral wealth is discovered, things kick off.
4) Someone gets in a war with Russia while possessing enough naval muscle to take it themselves.

All of these, however, suggest a delay.
 
4 January - 4 February 1865

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4 January, 1865

An engagement takes place in the Bhutan Expedition, a short war on the frontiers of India. The Bhutanese dzong bring chainmail and shields to the fight, while the British bring Enfields and Sniders.
It is not a very long battle, despite the Bhutanese deployment of catapult artillery. (This turns out to be surprisingly destructive, hurling dozens of fist-sized rocks down on the British formations, but the well-drilled British regiment in question simply disperses into skirmish order and snipes out the catapult spotters).


7 January

The black regiment of the Louisiana State Militia debate amongst themselves about whether to pay for breech-loading weapons. No conclusion is reached, but some of the members volunteer to purchase the rifles they are interested in and have a shooting day in a few months.


9 January

It is raining again in Santo Dominigo.
Jessie James and his band of filibusters are doing well, militarily speaking, but today they suffer a humiliating setback as some of their supplies (and one of their Whitworth field guns) get washed away by a flash-flood.
Locals knowingly comment that it was probably not such a good idea to camp in that particular ravine.


15 January

The Victoria Cross is formally extended to soldiers in the Indian Army as well as the British Army, with the full support of the Queen. As a result of this extension, several soldiers in the Indian Army earn somewhat-belated VCs, among them Subedar (now Subedar-major) Thaman Thapa of the 66th Bengal Native Infantry. (He is credited as the main reason for the extension, interestingly.)


17 January

The Confederate Congress, reminded of the matter by the recent Victoria Cross extension (which has appeared in the news, courtesy of the Transatlantic Telegraph), appoints a committee to look into the awarding of the Southern Cross of Honour. Their remit is for roughly one cross per regiment, and also to award a cross for successful commanders - Robert E. Lee among them, although he formally recuses himself from the committee on the grounds that he would otherwise have to debate his own reward. (Some of the Confederate congressmen have no such compunctions.)


20 January

Neville Bowles Chamberlain begins selecting regiments for an expedition into the North-West Frontier, to attempt to root out the Pashtuns who have been raiding the Punjab. He aims for a roughly even mix of British troops (with the Snider), reliable Indian troops (with the Enfield) and less-reliable Indian troops (with the Brunswick), though after some consideration revises this to include more of the second and third categories owing to the relative scarcity of the first.
The resultant organization is already looking distinctly multicultural, in an odd way - Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims and Christians are all represented. (The joke goes around that "the Zoroastrians did not wish to participate, the Jews were rejected, and not a Catholic could be found", though it is of course inaccurate due to the presence of Irish soldiers among others).


22 January

Radical Fenians in the United States begin planning an Irish uprising to oust the British and install a Republican government.
For reasons known only to themselves, step one is to invade Canada.


25 January

The Ottoman Empire demonstrates that their decriminalization of homosexuality (in 1858) was not a mere statement, as a minor official is harshly punished for attempting to impose penalties on a homosexual male couple.
This is seen as frankly bizarre in much of Europe, and one Punch cartoon portrays the Sultan (Abdulaziz) explaining to a baffled Imam his reasoning - as Punch has it, "in the first case the Hareem is open to all to be members; in the second place it is simply what the Jannissaries do; and in the third place it is being more Greek than the Greeks!"


26 January

The Shinsengumi, and the infantry of the Bakfu in general, begin receiving a training course from two former European sergeants - one British and one French.
The British officer stresses the importance of rifle fire, and the skill of the rifleman in placing his shot; this is received well by those Samurai who had been adept with the bow in their youth, as the principles are more similar than they had realized.
The Frenchman, on the other hand, stresses elan and the charge! This seems more culturally acceptable to many.
Of note is that George Adams (the Samurai) proudly announces his lineage to the British officer, who takes around six tries to comprehend that "Dzhioordzihu Adamasu" is not some kind of Russian name.


28 January

Another meeting of the German Confederation is derailed by the arguments between the Austrian and Prussian viewpoints. It is becoming clear that there is a fundamental disconnect between the two on some matters - Poland chiefly - which are causing some to suggest a confrontation is inevitable.


2 February

After several weeks of drill and mock-combat, a new set of "informal assumptions" is suggested by the Prussian Army. It states that, in the event of a meeting engagement, the Landwehr component of a mixed force should be preferentially deployed forward as the skirmish line. Their lack of Old Prussian Drill is seen as "less of a disadvantage" in this style, and the drilled Regulars can then shift more rapidly to influence events and potentially make bayonet charges.


4 February

Finally fed up with Webb's delays, the Kingdom of Italy takes their two frigates (the Re d'Italia and the Re di Portogallo) off his hands. They are to be sailed to French shipyards, where the Italians will ask the French to please fix the problems with the ships.

Also on this date, the Royal Sovereign enters full commission. She is an odd duck of a ship, a 131-gun liner razeed to form an armoured turret ship (after having started life as a 121-gun sail liner), and her guns are 10.5 inch smoothbores firing 150-lb steel shot - this is partly a test, to see if the US system of large smoothbores in turrets is workable, and she is likely to receive 9 inch Armstrong-Elswick breechloaders once the gun in question has been finalized.
 
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Saphroneth

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Annoyingly I can't find the first thing about the 10.5" guns on the Royal Sovereign - not even their typical powder load. Going by standard British practice they should have about an 1800 fps muzzle velocity, which is enough for a single penetration of a Canonicus turret but not really comparable with the Armstrong-Elswick (which can do the same thing at 1,000 yards).
 
For the U.S. they will have to decide if they can afford to buy Alaska, and also how much money they will have to put into defending Alaska. They will have to match the British Empire on the West Coast as far as the R.N. goes or any troops they put there wil be cut off.
 

Skallagrim

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I know that the Ottoman-era decriminalisation of homosexuality is OTL, but is that Punch cartoon, too? Or did you make that up? (I'm just curious.)


Regarding Alaska: in light the current state of affairs in the USA, and specifically in light of the funds needed for their (perceived) military needs, a purchase of Alaska seems highly unlikely. It was mostly prestige, after all-- the oil only got discovered much later on. I really think the next few US administrations are far more likely to pour money into the military budget than they are to buy Alaska. The whole factor of "restoring national pride" be damned: as things stand, they seem to believe they need a much stronger standing army. And the navy got kind of wiped out. And as that recent narrative update illustrated, a lot of antebellum forts had no guns or only a few. Surely that must be rectified, too? All that will cost. Unless the US government (and Congress!) is willing to borrow vast sums of money just to buy Alaska, I don't see how they're going to afford it.

Of course, the idea has been raised earlier that Britain might loan them the money at a "friends' rate", as a sign of reconciliation. Depending on how things turn out, that might be a decent resolution to several problems at once.

If that doesn't go through, Britain itself is really the most likely candidate. The whole idea that Russia doesn't want to sell it to Britain seems too hasty, to me. After all, especially with things in Poland as they are now, Russia may just decide that it's time to ensure that should any future conflicts arise it isn't fighting too many foes at once. A certain diplomatic reconciliation with Britain might actually be perceived as a smart move. The "Great Game" could be winded down earlier in this ATL, and Britain purchasing Alaska might be a first step in that development.

I don't really see any other power that could potentially get the funds together actually wanting Alaska. Even Japan, which is closest, would have relatively little use for Alaska. And for any other power, it would be seen as a worthless and damned cold piece of land on the other side of the planet.
 
The resultant organization is already looking distinctly multicultural, in an odd way - Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims and Christians are all represented. (The joke goes around that "the Zoroastrians did not wish to participate, the Jews were rejected, and not a Catholic could be found").

Not a Catholic to be found? Evidently they didn't look at the confessional makeup of any of the British Regiments, especially as these are Regiments on Indian service. While not as dependent on Irish recruits as a generation before (thanks to the Potato Famine there are rather less Irishmen to recruit) the Irish Catholics remained over-represented in the British Army right up until 1914 even after the County Regiment system was adopted.
 
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