If they will not meet us on the open sea (a Trent TL)

Saphroneth

Banned
Yes, and driving the cavalry off isn't easy either. They've got a fairly small number of sharpshooters (who aren't great at their job - no powder to train them) and if they get too far out of square they'll be hammered into the dirt by the Blues - whereas if they try to advance in square, painfully slowly, the cavalry will just fall back and keep the range open.

I'm not sure if the Household Cavalry had Enfield carbines, so I didn't say one way or the other, but it's entirely possible the cavalry could beat them in a firefight...
 
Very nasty....it's quite something to be charged by cavalry, although when you are doing a battle reenactment no one actually wants to kill you (usually)...but being pinned by the donkey wallopers to be hit by artillery, that's just cruel...
 

Saphroneth

Banned
Very nasty....it's quite something to be charged by cavalry, although when you are doing a battle reenactment no one actually wants to kill you (usually)...but being pinned by the donkey wallopers to be hit by artillery, that's just cruel...
In a sense, the above sections with this rather unfortunate division have been the British demonstrating the three ways cavalry is still useful on the battlefield aside from as a scouting and screening force - mobile firepower (Dragoon Guards), shock action (Lancers) and pinning force (Household Cavalry)
 

Saphroneth

Banned
So, a bit of thought about the situation, and how the Union could have gotten out of it.

1) With the troops he had.
The first point is that the Union commander would have to realize that the British have a lot more combat power available here. The attempt at getting out ahead of the infantry was good, but doing things differently one would instead have to concentrate everyone and everything for a bulk move.
Split off a heavy skirmish screen. They can't fight the British skirmishers one on one, so don't try - instead throw out a cloud of skirmishers thick enough that the British can't get though to determine your movements. Yes, this is going to be costly, since you'll be sending out quite possibly all your flank companies and a substantial fraction of your regular infantry otherwise.
Ditch the whole supply train - if you don't get out you're screwed anyway - and use the horses to make some fraction of your artillery more mobile. They'll need to keep up with a column.
Then, using the skirmishers to screen your movement, throw the entire force of your infantry at a compact point in the British line. The artillery is there to get in slugging matches with enemy artillery or ward off enemy cavalry, either way the important point is to keep the enemy "other arms" off your infantry.

This is not especially likely to work, and it's going to be bloody - but it's about the best prospect for a breakout, and for saving enough of the army to regroup further south.

2) With better quality troops.
With better troops a lot more actions open up. You have the prospect of winning the skirmish, or of at least suppressing the enemy skirmishers locally (driving them back on their supports) and managing to get close.
But with good riflemen it's also much more possible to advance through the cavalry screen (as you have the ability to punish them from a few hundred yards, and of being able to form into square if they try to close past that), and a couple of brigades have the prospect of forming a holding force which the British would have to deploy to attack - and then you can feed troops into the blocking position or send them along the road.

In this case, though, Fremont was facing something he'd never encountered before - good, well trained cavaly. This is the kind of thing which was still effective right up into WW1, under the right circumstances - see, say, the charge of the Australian Light Horse at Beersheba.
 
He has really nothing he can do against the gunboats, fleeing them leaves him open to the calvary. As tough as it is advancing against the calvary and opening the range is his only choice. Need to get close enough to the calvary so the gunboats hold their fire. Very poor choice but beggers are not choosers.
 

Saphroneth

Banned
He has really nothing he can do against the gunboats, fleeing them leaves him open to the calvary. As tough as it is advancing against the calvary and opening the range is his only choice. Need to get close enough to the calvary so the gunboats hold their fire. Very poor choice but beggers are not choosers.
The tricky thing is that the cavalry can always open the range - they're faster - and he has to stay in square or they'll come back and charge him. (And moving in square is hard, slow work for well-drilled regulars.)

Calvary is a hill Jesus died on.
 
The tricky thing is that the cavalry can always open the range - they're faster - and he has to stay in square or they'll come back and charge him. (And moving in square is hard, slow work for well-drilled regulars.)

Calvary is a hill Jesus died on.

oops, I have made that mistake a few time. Agree on the rest, just shows not really much of a choice left to them.
 
9-31 March 1865

Saphroneth

Banned
9 March

The Confederate Congress votes through a proposal to create, for the support of the Confederate Army, the "Negro Logistical and Engineering Train". This is to be a component of the regular army, to consist of approximately 4,000 overseers and an unspecified (but large) number of slaves, to be trained in engineering, logistics, and the other tasks of an army not performed by the fighting front.
The intent is that, in time of peace, the N.L.E.T can be contracted out to perform engineering works for a given state or individual, and that the Confederate government will offer a rebate on part of the hire cost. In time of war, the N.L.E.T will perform logistical duties for the army; this reduces the level of troops required detached from the fighting front to be those assigned to guard the logistics train or to perform the few tasks too sensitive for slaves.


11 March

An attempt taking place in China to intrigue against the Dowager Empress fails when the plotters attempt to gain the support of the Ever Victorious Army. Unfortunately for them, they are unaware that the "Army is Apolitical" stance taken by the higher-ups in the Ever Victorious Army is actually somewhat accurate, and Ward's reaction to being approached is to promptly publish the details of the plot in the papers!
The idea of an apolitical army seems oddly appealing to those currently in power in China.


14 March

Military exercises take place in Japan. The Bakfu's forces are judged to have performed "adequately" by the referees (British and French NCOs hired on for modernizing Shogunal forces) though they add that there is a lot of work still to do - here "adequate" means "able to form the positions in the drill book, give fire by rank, and conduct a bayonet charge".


15 March

Vituperative debates in the German Confederation over the Polish Issue, which does not look like coming to an end any time soon.


17 March

Seven hundred Fenian filibusters arrive at Lubec, Maine - they consist of a considerable number of Union army veterans, leavened with men just turned adults, and are armed with a mix of modern Springfields and Colt revolving rifles.
Efforts are made to obtain passage to Campobello Island and thus capture it, striking a mighty blow against the English, though Lubec is not a major port by any stretch of the imagination and so finding more than a couple of fishing boats looks very difficult.


19 March

In a perhaps disproportionate show of force, HMS Aboukir (a wooden screw liner) shows up off Lubec, along with two gunboats and a large frigate (the Immortalite). Faced with the prospect of facing this much firepower in a couple of fishing boats, the Fenians disperse.


22 March

Chamberlain's expedition into Afghanistan reaches the Chamla Valley, though Pashtun resistance is heavy and persistent. It is learned that the Pashtuns have been convinced (though by whom is unclear) that the British are planning on annexing Afghanistan.
For the next few weeks, a war of strong-points and heavy sniping takes place in the valley and the surrounding hills.


27 March

With a purchase of large position guns made from Krupp (to deliver over the coming months), the Polish Army begins to lay out the positions for fortified points to defend against future Russian attack. Special attention is paid to river lines and rail lines, and also to "portages" between different logistical routes - the intent is to create points the Russians must cover or reduce in order to advance, and thus to buy time for the Polish reserves to mobilize.
The same commission also begins laying out the same kind of positions for attacks from the west or the south. After the last hundred years and more, very few people in Poland are willing to assume that there is only one potential enemy.


31 March

The Bellerophon ("Billy Ruffian" to the navy) is launched. An innovative design by the DNC, Reed, she follows his "belt and battery" principle by abandoning the concept of having a full armoured side in favour of a waterline belt and a small and very heavily protected battery. This battery is to be equipped with 10 9-inch Armstrong-Elswick guns planned along with five 120 pounder 7" guns of the same type and protected by 6" rolled wrought iron, well backed - her armour's resistance in foot-tons per inch is roughly twice that of the Warrior.
Not one to stand still for long, Reed is also participating in the committee attempting to determine the form of the future turret battleship. Cowper Coles is also getting involved, and telling everyone about his brilliant idea for a turret placed around the masts; there is serious consideration being given to telling him to build it himself, if only to keep the excitable man quiet.
 
In a perhaps disproportionate show of force, HMS Aboukir (a wooden screw liner) shows up off Lubec, along with two gunboats and a large frigate (the Immortalite). Faced with the prospect of facing this much firepower in a couple of fishing boats, the Fenians disperse.

Get rekt Filibusters.

...How important is Campobello Island anyway?

Also:

Once again the Confederacy shows itself to be surprisingly modern and horrendously... Confederate.

China is in an interesting position.

Japan? I'm not sure what it's in for, and what I think about the altered Emperor/Shogun Balance.

Go Chamberlain? Am I to presume the expedition is going better due to the proliforation of better rifles or no?

Go Poland! You live! Survive! Reunite the Polish Nation!

Hmm. Ships. Don't know much about ships. DNC?
 

Saphroneth

Banned
Get rekt Filibusters.

...How important is Campobello Island anyway?
Believe it or not, this is an OTL incident.

Once again the Confederacy shows itself to be surprisingly modern and horrendously... Confederate.
This to me is the key to writing a realistic Confederacy. The nascent nation showed itself capable of inventing entirely new weapons OTL, after all, and of being arguably better at using limited ironclad production resources than the Union was with their greater resources.

But that doesn't mean they're nice.


Go Chamberlain? Am I to presume the expedition is going better due to the proliforation of better rifles or no?

Well, there's nobody with smoothbores in Chamberlain's force, which helps a bit.

Japan? I'm not sure what it's in for, and what I think about the altered Emperor/Shogun Balance.
Japan isn't sure what it's in for either. It's less likely there'll be a full Meiji Restoration, though.
 
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Get rekt Filibusters.

...How important is Campobello Island anyway?

Not very. It was the first of the Fenian raids and they probably wanted to start small. The whole thing was a bit comic opera. The Fenians arrived several weeks before their weapons and several hundred men hanging around in the area alerted authorities so the militia was mustered and the RN send ships. A telegram from the Fenians to one of their Canadian leaders ordering his men to Maine was intercepted by the authorities and he and his men were taken off their train and arrested. Finally General George Meade and several hundred US troops arrived and dispersed the Fenians. Total result, several shots fired at the island, a couple of buildings burnt and a British flag stolen.

Later Fenian raids were a bit better organized. (This is OTL of course. Be interesting to see how they do here)
 

Ryan

Donor
how will the US react to the Fenians? on the one hand, they might support the Fenians as a fuck you to the British for making them lose the civil war. on the other hand, they might do all they can to stop the Fenians out of fear of another war with the British.
 

Saphroneth

Banned
how will the US react to the Fenians? on the one hand, they might support the Fenians as a fuck you to the British for making them lose the civil war. on the other hand, they might do all they can to stop the Fenians out of fear of another war with the British.
Given that it's now McClellan in charge, things could be complex. The Democrats have some support from the Irish in NYC (and elsewhere) but McClellan's not the aggressive sort.
I imagine his key issue is going to be avoiding some kind of disastrous war, and that his policy will probably be "amnesty to those who surrender" (that is, that this is illegal behaviour but that only those caught in the act will be punished).


Of course, something worth noting is that a lot of Canadian militia (and volunteers) has had six to eight months under drill. They're rather better than they were OTL, though by no means Regular quality.
 

Saphroneth

Banned
Bit of further information on the Blues, courtesy of @RodentRevolution - they did, indeed, have P1856 Enfield carbines. (Their official ToE also includes a cuirass, but that was probably not actually taken to war.)

Anyway. That is likely to be the end of the look into the Montreal Campaign and indeed into the "narrative" style, for now at least.

Things which would be addressed in the TL's advancing front in the next update or two:

The opening of the NYSE (somewhat belated) and BASF
More terrible things in the Paraguayan War
Discussion of Austrian training session
Fisher on gunnery, and on the lessons of the spar torpedo boats from Charleston
Yet more forts in Gibraltar
Whitehead blows up a test ship - but not the one he was aiming at
The invention of the Huxley Grid (TTL's version of the Punnet Square)
Plots in Japan by the Tosa, Hizen and Choshu Daimyo.
Flag reform in the CSA, where they finally pick a design - actually three related ones, sharing a common element.
Plan 65 being worked on in the CSA.
Official formation of an Admiralty Staff, whose job is to "consider eventualities" and have ready plans for various scenarios.
Early indications from McClellan's government
And Chamberlain trying not to have bits shot off.
 
1-30 April 1865

Saphroneth

Banned
1 April

Robert Whitehead, experimenting on his locomotive explosion vessel (an autonomous locomotive weapon), successfully sinks a ship in testing at Fiume. The achievement is marred somewhat by the way that the ship actually sunk was a gunboat undergoing sail replacement, rather than the hulk he was supposed to aim at.
There are no fatalities, but there is a very annoyed Austrian naval lieutenant and his crew to deal with.

5 April

A meeting takes place in secret between envoys from the domains of Tosa, Choshu and Hizen. The subject of discussion is the degree to which the Emperor is the rightful ruler of Japan, an entirely sensible and proper subject of discussion.
The envoys also allude to the number of retainers and Samurai which can be drawn upon by each Daimyo at short notice, which is also quite right and proper.


6 April

The comparative shooting trials done by the Louisiana Native Guard have come to a conclusion, which is that the Westley-Richards rifle is an appropriate purchase for now.
They also plan on buying at least one copy of the most modern British Army field manual, to see what conclusions the British have come to over the use of the breechloader.


9 April
The New York Stock Exchange formally opens their new headquarters at 11 Wall Street, Lower Manhattan, New York. The decision is associated with private assurances from the new President that the defense of New York is high on his priority list.


11 April
Internal memo in the US War Department which outlines the requirements for defence of New York. The memo makes clear that it should be considered "inevitable" that the guns of today will be rendered obsolete, and that as the 20 inch gun is far too large to be practicable in most cases it should not be assumed that the increase in power will simply be an improvement in calibre.
Rather than a few very large forts, the purposes of defence would be better served by multiple smaller, distributed batteries with the facilities to host powerful guns - ideally intended to resist the most powerful weapons of the day, on the grounds that even after an advance of gun power the new, greater guns will be rare and fire slowly (so the defences would still resist the more common guns of the later day).
The actual guns should be possible to change out as need comes.

In specific terms, batteries are suggested on Sandy Hook and on Rockaway point, with the intent being to host multiple seacoast mortars pre-registered onto the known channels and anchorages (and thus to hit blockaders trying to lie in them). To fortify the whole coast of Long Island is impractical, so instead Jamaica Bay will be defended with batteries covering the entrance and a line from this point to Throgs Neck will have landward defences.
Aside from this most of the existing points of defence are considered well sited, in principle; the main want is to place many powerful guns in them and to build up the strength of the fortifications.


14 April

The Jefferson Davis ships her newly designated armament for seakeeping tests. She bears sixteen 8" Brooke Rifles and eight surplus 110-pounder Armstrong rifles, the latter for the destruction of forts.
Much to the surprise of some (particularly in the US Navy), the Jefferson Davis turns out to be a fine seakeeper - her lines allow her to cut through waves, and her high freeboard prevents any major water damage.



19 April

The biologist Huxley develops a simple method for comparing the results of Menel's inheritance predictions and for determining the true genetic makeup of a source, a crosswise grid system. It becomes known as the "Huxley Grid".
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23 April

An Austrian army drill session is concluded, and the results make the army commanders feel very good about themselves. The "words of command" system functions very well under drill, allowing the officers to give their orders in German, and the men's charge home against the dummy targets (a long line, atop a hill) reminds those observing of how it felt to face the French bayonet charges in 1859 (at Solferino). Similarly, their system of range estimation has been improved, and NCOs are able to direct the men of the line to deliver rifle barrage fire at 400 yards.
Based on this, they feel that they have managed to recreate the system which defeated them, and therefore that they will be able to win future clashes.

26 April

The Confederacy finally picks a new flag. There are three variants.
The first is the battle flag, intended to be used for colours and for other military purposes, which is a white-edged blue saltire on a red background with seventeen stars - of which three are picked out in outline rather than solid colour. These outline stars represent Arizona Territory, New Mexico Territory and Indian Territory. (The intent, in future, is for the outlines to be filled in for Arizona and New Mexico and for the star for Indian Territory to be coloured differently - perhaps red within.)
The second is the national flag, which is a white and red flag using the battle flag (in square form) as a canton.
The third is the naval flag, which is similar to the national flag but reverses the red and the white of the main field.


28 April

A special commission determines that there are probably enough guns on Gibraltar, and that fortress upgrades should remove some of the guns so as to avoid confusion over the appropriate stations of the gunners in time of war. The commission also determines that such replacement should be performed as soon as there are sufficient Armstrong and Armstrong-Elswick guns available.


30 April

P.G.T. Beauregard and his staff produce Plan 65. It is broadly similar to Plan 64, but updated to account for new developments such as some additional rail lines and fortifications.
It also assigns a role to the Jefferson Davis, that being to hang around off the Delmarva peninsula with scouting ships and to sink any movement south of Union warships.
 
Piercing the Skin (Fisher note)

Saphroneth

Banned
Piercing the Skin - to sink an iron-clad
(John "Jackie" Fisher)


In olden times, the days of Napoleon and Nelson and Collingwood, to sink a ship with shot was of tremendous difficulty - the wooden walls of the fleet stymied any attack from a long range, and so the order was close-in and pour in fire. There were splinters aplenty, and many men died, but the final defeat of a ship was reserved for surrender, for boarding or for running aground. Rare indeed was the ship of any size sunk by enemy fire, and action against forts was a danger for the risk of hot-shot.
Since then, in the Russian War and in the American War, we have had ships of steam and shell - and we have had Martin's Shell. That fine weapon has given us a grand success, and allowed for more sinking of ships than was the case before - so much the good! A ship sunk is a ship which may not return to trouble us again, though the loss of a prize is an irritant. Thus, we have sunk many enemy vessels; but now comes the armour of iron, and that has made things harder once more.

It is no discredit to Mr. Palliser that his shell is a very weak weapon, compared to the comparative might of the common shell. It must be hard-walled to endure contact at speed with hard iron. But it means that we may not be sure of sinking an enemy ship with ease with but a few shells or even a few dozen; the strength of the armour means that it must take great efforts to produce a small hole, and that the hole may be easily stopped. Apart from ships of minimal buoyancy - I speak of the "Monitor" type - then the most proficient fire with shells will only strike a few times between wind and wave, and a few holes cannot sink a ship with an alert crew. Thus, to truly "take" a ship we must once more batter at her until she is silenced, then board her or batter her waterline afresh until the job is too much for her crew; that or we must force her crew to abandon. And either of these is a great difficulty for a ship that may, at most times, simply go away and decide to return home (for the boilers of any competently designed warship of the modern day are behind armour and below the waterline both).

But what is the solution? Well, there is more than one solution; there are several, though they differ in their applicability.
One is the answer which many have clamored for since the introduction of steam - the ram, the weapon of the ancient Trireme, striking an enemy vessel far below the waterline (where the pressure of the water is greater and the speed of entry faster) and ripping a great hole, too large to patch. But the difficulty of this technique is the same as that of the boarding-action or the bombardment - that the enemy vessel may simply move out of the way. It is true that no ship hammered and battered by Palliser's shells will be in perfect shape, not if the armour is being pierced, but to hope for a loss of power is unreliable at best.
Another solution, one which is being discussed in Austria, is the idea of a weapon which strikes beneath the water at a range of hundreds of yards - an automatic bomb ship. This may be a thing of the future, but it is not a thing of now.
For myself, I think the best chance is in the use of ship's launches armed with the spar-torpedo - the weapon which saw use against the Royal Oak at Charleston. Once the great guns of a target ship have been disabled, the steam launches and ship's boats may close in and detonate their explosives under the keel - below the armour and tamped by the water around them - and make a great hole in the side of the iron-clad ship, or strike at the bow or especially stern and by these means force an enemy to slow.

In the light of this, it would be appropriate for an ironclad fleet - like an army corps on land - to contain a line element and a pursuit element. The pursuers would be fast cruising vessels with many steam launches and with spar torpedoes of their own, intended to get between an enemy fleet and their succor so as to force them to run a gauntlet of torpedoes - or to chase after a fleet in retreat, forcing them to abandon their slower ships or remain to fight our own battle-line.
 
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