If The Venus Project was taken up

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Jacque Fresco, recently passed away - and I am curious to know if his organisation - Sociocyberneering or The Venus Project - was to be taken up - what would our world be like - what would most likely have to happen - he claimed the money system had to collapse. Some think there is a calcubility problem that a resource based economy could never solve, even with a super computer.
 
Is there a chance that in the 1970s - sociocyberneering could have taken off - and if the United States started to build a Fresconian round city - much like Epcot - what would it be like -- I imagine it could be like a Theme Park - where at the edge of the city - you no longer use money -- but its a trade of resources as an experiment?

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Stefan Molyneux doesn't feel this would work - because human desire is infinite, resources are finite. He brings up the calcubility problem to indicate - how do you know the resources are being used efficiently.


 
because human desire is infinite

There's no actual evidence to support this claim.

More likely, human desire is instead very large - each human only has a few cupfuls of grey matter to imagine things to desire and that grey matter can only work so quickly. It has been proven that the level of desire where people are happiest has been proven to be quite moderate - in the UK of 2000, it was around £15,000/year worth of consumption, which was below the GDP/capita of the UK at the moment. (It appears that desire is stressful, so at some point the gains of fulfilling more desires is LESS than the stress caused by seeking that fulfillment.)

This is one of those daft ideas that was just plucked out of the air by people 300 years ago and that has hung around like a bad smell since.

I am curious to know if his organisation - Sociocyberneering or The Venus Project - was to be taken up - what would our world be like

Every time I've seen his ideas delved into, there is a whooole lot of handwaving about how things would actually work.

I suspect it would be a mess that made Technocracy look good.

fasquardon
 
It wouldn't work, no government are going to give up a monetary economy, as for the city you show on the picture, it would have turned into a suburban ghetto. People don't want to live in such a city if they have a choice.
 
Walt Disney had an original plan for EPCOT - being an experimental city of the future
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"it would have turned into a suburban ghetto"
^ well they say that its not about architecture but about a new way of thinking.

"People don't want to live in such a city if they have a choice"
^ why do you feel that way -- there is an interesting video that indicates what people like in a city.

 
Because people did build suburban after that model, they may not be round, but they had the same "sameness", the architect love them, but they ended up as ghettos. The problem is that when we look at these plans we see them from above, while he way you should see it, is from below. People like variation.
 
I can see the EPCOT concept being successfully executed, and I think it would end up like Celebration, Florida. Not a suburban ghetto, but a high-priced 'perfect' community where having lawn flamingos is punishable by a $500 fine. The concept could only be executed where real estate prices would be guaranteed to be permanently high, such as near Walt Disney World. It wouldn't work in rural Minnesota. So the concept is limited to one, or at most a very few, sites.

The house in the first pic does appeal to me, though probably not to everyone, and perhaps not to most people. (I tend to really like those 70's Popular Mechanics designs.) Architect-designed houses tend to be very impractical places to have a family in, as they tend to have lots of glass and open space and few areas you can allow to get messy without the neighbors seeing in.
 
"People like variation"
^ Jacque designed it that way - so its more efficient - so you repeat the segment slice.

Now I am from the UK - and these designs have a very Miami - terrace style to them - but I would have thought he should have designed other types of cities to reflect the culture for different countries -- I would imagine a UK model would have more capsule houses for example.
 
"I can see the EPCOT concept being successfully executed"
but Jacque's city design is similar to it - round, green belts, even has similar transportation systems above and below it.

 

Anderman

Donor
I don´t understand what this venus project is or wants. Everthing is resource based and they are limited. Or is no infinite amount of land to put a city /town onl
 

Rarename91

Banned
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Jacque Fresco, recently passed away - and I am curious to know if his organisation - Sociocyberneering or The Venus Project - was to be taken up - what would our world be like - what would most likely have to happen - he claimed the money system had to collapse. Some think there is a calcubility problem that a resource based economy could never solve, even with a super computer.
the project was the dumbest thing I ever seen.
 
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