if the Kalmar union or Swedish empire got in a war with Novgorod / Russia, and they were winning by a lot, would the Swedes have taken the Kola + Karelia in peace? or would it be more likely for them to leave it to the Russians?
As I recall, Sweden once captured Archangel (or tried to) and tried to annex it, but were stopped by England (and France, I think) because it would hinder trade with Russia...
LordInsane (or anyone else) - a little help here?![]()
but let's say in a war, that Sweden occupies all that area, and is in a good position to sue for peace...
would they take Karelia and leave Kola to the Russians? or just not take ANY of that area at all?
I always do, when I play Europa Universalis...
Seriously speaking, from what I gather, they were always more interested in the Russian trading cities close to Estonia (Pskov, Novgorod etc). Kola was basically a frozen wasteland of no value whatsoever, so it didn't hold quite the appeal it might have in later years.
(Note: my historical knowledge of Swedish foreign policy comprises mostly the 1600s onwards. I don't know what they might have tried in the 16th century.)
But with Kola, they controlled the entire trade route of western trade with Russia, far better then a cityI always do, when I play Europa Universalis...
Seriously speaking, from what I gather, they were always more interested in the Russian trading cities close to Estonia (Pskov, Novgorod etc). Kola was basically a frozen wasteland of no value whatsoever, so it didn't hold quite the appeal it might have in later years.
Wich is pretty crucial
Sweden in the 14th and 15th century is something completely different
Finland and Karelia, and to a lesser extent Ingria and Estonia was on the top list. And as you say, if Sweden gets Karelia, Kola follows by itself (if not the Danes takes it).
No one said it would lastwouldn't a Danish Kola and Swedish Karelia be a little... unwieldy?
wouldn't a Danish Kola and Swedish Karelia be a little... unwieldy?
But with Kola, they controlled the entire trade route of western trade with Russia, far better then a city![]()