If the South had won the War...

What do you think would have happened if the south had won?

  • The USA would fracture into other nations until it finally was gone?

    Votes: 3 2.9%
  • The USA would experience several more Civil Wars but stay mostly united.

    Votes: 1 1.0%
  • The USA would invade Canada

    Votes: 1 1.0%
  • The CSA and USA would someday make an alliance

    Votes: 9 8.8%
  • Slavery would be abolished in the CSA before 1890

    Votes: 27 26.5%
  • Slavery would exist until at least 1915

    Votes: 23 22.5%
  • The USA would fracture into another nation beside itself but still stay a nation

    Votes: 4 3.9%
  • The CSA would experience its own Civil War

    Votes: 34 33.3%

  • Total voters
    102
The south easily could have won the war. Its shocking they didn't win the war. They had better men, better officers, and a great cause. As for slavery, guaranteed abolished by 1890. With international protest, and the growth of industry, slavery never would have lasted long. Slavery just isn't economically viable; its easier to pay someone a few dollars than feed them, clothe them, and shelter them. Plus, if the south won race relations would be way better. You don't have any postwar hatred towards blacks that you have in our history. And if anyone actually thinks the war was fought over slavery, really? Your really going for the most impossible and illogical reason possible? Read a book. And best of all, Lincoln would be considered one of the worst U.S. Presidents of all time. People would stop praising that racist bastard.... :D

P.S. The South Shall Rise Again!!!!!
 
The south easily could have won the war. Its shocking they didn't win the war. They had better men, better officers, and a great cause. As for slavery, guaranteed abolished by 1890. With international protest, and the growth of industry, slavery never would have lasted long. Slavery just isn't economically viable; its easier to pay someone a few dollars than feed them, clothe them, and shelter them. Plus, if the south won race relations would be way better. You don't have any postwar hatred towards blacks that you have in our history. And if anyone actually thinks the war was fought over slavery, really? Your really going for the most impossible and illogical reason possible? Read a book. And best of all, Lincoln would be considered one of the worst U.S. Presidents of all time. People would stop praising that racist bastard.... :D

P.S. The South Shall Rise Again!!!!!

Technically the South never rose in the first place.
 
Not really sure how the south would voluntarily become a Communist state in order to survive because Communism violates nearly every one of the CSA's principles.

Name one county that became communist voluntarily. Every example of communism we have in our timeline involved a small group of intellectuals and thugs using buzz-words to replace the previous elite with themselves.

The south was a loose confederation of states with an incredibly weak central government.

If it survives the war, It will be centralized, or incapable of maintaining it's independence due to an aggressive northern neighbor.

The South also was built on the ideology of the aristocracy with rich white plantation owners at the top and slaves at the bottom.

All of the features you describe makes an independent CSA the kind of nation that makes revolutionary communism appeal to the masses.

Communism wouldn't save the CSA, it would turn the CSA into something unrecognizable. You would have a strong federation with a strong central government, abolishment of slavery and the state ownership of plantations; none of these describes the CSA that we know.

In every OTL attempt at communism, everyone is a de facto slave of the state. To be honest the two would look depressingly similar.
 
The South would have collapsed in a few decades. The USA would be more progressive and slightly richer. California would have a budget surplus.
 
The south easily could have won the war. Its shocking they didn't win the war. They had better men, better officers, and a great cause. As for slavery, guaranteed abolished by 1890. With international protest, and the growth of industry, slavery never would have lasted long. Slavery just isn't economically viable; its easier to pay someone a few dollars than feed them, clothe them, and shelter them. Plus, if the south won race relations would be way better. You don't have any postwar hatred towards blacks that you have in our history. And if anyone actually thinks the war was fought over slavery, really? Your really going for the most impossible and illogical reason possible? Read a book. And best of all, Lincoln would be considered one of the worst U.S. Presidents of all time. People would stop praising that racist bastard.... :D

P.S. The South Shall Rise Again!!!!!

No, the Confederacy (it was never "The South." The black men who earned their freedom on the battlefield and white anti-Confederates would have bitterly disputed that) did not have a means to easily win the war. In the period 1861-2 the core of West Virginia was lopped off the Confederacy and US armies reduced its East-West connections to Vicksburg and Port Hudson.

It started still tenuously intact in 1863 and finished it confined to Virginia and Georgia and Florida and the Carolinas.

In 1864 it was reduced to Lee's army and Joe Johnston's armies and US armies were the 800 lb gorilla and went where they pleased to do what they pleased.

Slavery was perfectly economically viable, if by viable we mean North Korea or Pakistan.

I think that Alexander H. Stephens, W.H. Walker, Jefferson Davis, and other Confederates would be bemused to know that their state that banned free states and made USCT targets of massacre had nothing to do with slavery. As would Patrick Cleburne.

An independent Confederacy at minimum will be the paranoid siege mentality state that the Slave South was.
 
Oh ya, we all know what great economies North Korea and Pakistan have....

Yes, the "Confederacy" and not the "south." Its just easier to use the phrase :p

The south won more battles than the North, and frankly its amazing the North led by King Lincoln was able to get anything done. The Confederacy still had a chance to win up until the 1864 Presidential Election.

I think your forgetting the thousands and thousands of free blacks and slaves that fought and died for the Confederate States of America of their own accord. And your talking about massacres the Confederates did? Try the tens of thousands of civilians murdered in cold blood by union troops. Or the 13,000 American citizens put in prison because they opposed Lincoln. Or the hundreds of Newspapers shut down because they were also anti-Lincoln. Or all the blacks that were put into the Union Army at gunpoint. Or the millions of lives that were ruined because the Union Army burned down everything in sight.
 
Oh ya, we all know what great economies North Korea and Pakistan have....

Yes, the "Confederacy" and not the "south." Its just easier to use the phrase :p

The south won more battles than the North, and frankly its amazing the North led by King Lincoln was able to get anything done. The Confederacy still had a chance to win up until the 1864 Presidential Election.

I think your forgetting the thousands and thousands of free blacks and slaves that fought and died for the Confederate States of America of their own accord. And your talking about massacres the Confederates did? Try the tens of thousands of civilians murdered in cold blood by union troops. Or the 13,000 American citizens put in prison because they opposed Lincoln. Or the hundreds of Newspapers shut down because they were also anti-Lincoln. Or all the blacks that were put into the Union Army at gunpoint. Or the millions of lives that were ruined because the Union Army burned down everything in sight.

That's precisely the point I'm making. Viable state does not mean a state that works well.

No, it's cheaper and inaccurate.

In Virginia, you mean. Elsewhere they had one major victory, Chickamauga, the rest was a dreary litany of Confederate infighting and crowning moments of awesome for the US Army as it developed the mobility, firepower, and converging columns doctrine used in all subsequent wars. Confederate armies were not so great as mythmaking would have it, and General Grant, much as it might pain you to hear it was Mount Olympus to Lee's pgymy perched on Mount Atlas.

There were no such soldiers, the Confederacy raised one such set of troops at New Orleans and never even considered using them to actually fight, and the proposal to raise and arm slaves raised before the start of the 1864 campaigns was squelched until 1890. There is but a single true massacre of Confederate whites attributed to Union soldiers and that was due to a former Tsarist General working for General Buell who brought the Rodinia's bloodsoaked way of war to US soil.

By contrast there's Olustee, Fort Pillow, the Crater, three massacres that are well-known and several others less so as they were in the Trans-Mississippi theater. Those blacks were not forced into the US Army at gunpoint, they volunteered and fought Johnny Reb harder than white Billy Yanks did.

Sorry to spoil your Neo-Confederate reverie, but that society's dead and buried and long may it rot. I think after 150 years we can concede that the Yankees were right, slavery is wrong, that 500,000 white and black Southerners fought in US blue, and even that Grant was the military genius of the 19th Century USA.
 

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The south easily could have won the war. Its shocking they didn't win the war. They had better men, better officers, and a great cause. As for slavery, guaranteed abolished by 1890. With international protest, and the growth of industry, slavery never would have lasted long. Slavery just isn't economically viable; its easier to pay someone a few dollars than feed them, clothe them, and shelter them. Plus, if the south won race relations would be way better. You don't have any postwar hatred towards blacks that you have in our history. And if anyone actually thinks the war was fought over slavery, really? Your really going for the most impossible and illogical reason possible? Read a book. And best of all, Lincoln would be considered one of the worst U.S. Presidents of all time. People would stop praising that racist bastard.... :D

P.S. The South Shall Rise Again!!!!!

You're kicked for a week for trolling.
 
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