Good question, even if not a new one. I wonder how to make US be as receptive towards muslims immigrants as it was to Catholics though.... Earlier demise of Barbary Piracy ?
Define "fell". Successful independence movements by Egypt and Arabia? Russia achieves its dream of retaking Constantinople? Suleiman dies in 1519, resulting in a war of succession?
If the goal is more Islamic Americans, I'd try fiddling with the Barbary pirates somehow. Successful negotiation (and/or regime change) leads to a Morocco that's genuinely friendly to the USA during the late 1810s/early 1820s? You can also cheat by letting a relatively small number of immigrants successfully convert a large number of Americans (the success of both the Theosophists and the LDS shows Americans were receptive to new religious ideas during the 1840s. And Islam learned form Moroccan immigrants may resonate well with African-Americans at the time).
I don't think so, but it depend on when it collapse, a Russian-Austrian conquest of Anatolia and Balkan in the 19th century, I would say yes we would see a greater Muslim/Turkish emigration to America, through I think we will see more go to Latin America than USA, because of climate and culture. But if it collapse in the 18th Century with a Austrian conquest of the Balkans and a chaos of succesor states in the Middle East I would say no. For the 17th century I have a hard time to see a realistic POD for a collapse, but here I will still say no.
L.A. might be even less receptive given the fact that the Spanish only kicked the last Muslims out of Spain about 1492. Although Brazil might not be as hostile.Eventhough there will be climate and cultural reasons, I doubt that Latin America can even be as receptive towards muslim immigrants as the States. Correct me if I'm wrong though.....
As for the rest, I agree.
Historically "Syrians" (including Lebanese and Palestinians) came to America in fairly large numbers around the same time as the Chinese, and they weren't greeted with nearly the same degree of antipathy. I guess it's a matter of being at the right place at the right time.Given the US's hostility toward the Catholics and Chinese in the 1800s by what stretch of your imagination do you think Muslim will be better accepted?![]()
Would we see more Muslims in the Americas if the Ottomans fell some time around the mid-to-late era of colonization (1600s-1800s)?
No. Muslims weren't very welcome. Muslim Ottomans that went to the Americas historically generally pretended to be Christian, worked for a while, then went home.
The first big wave of Arab (tho' not necessarily Muslim) immigration to the US occurred between 1880 and 1920--many present Arab-American communities can date their foundations to this period.Ottoman Muslims went t the Americas?
When and where specifically? Most likely somewhere in the Spanish Caribbean, I assume.
Ottoman Muslims went t the Americas?
When and where specifically? Most likely somewhere in the Spanish Caribbean, I assume.
No. Muslims weren't very welcome. Muslim Ottomans that went to the Americas historically generally pretended to be Christian, worked for a while, then went home.
By Ottoman collapse alone, certainly wouldn't. But was anti-Islamic sentiment insurmountable ? My impression has been always that getting rid of Barbary Piracy as soon as possible would be the key.....
I thought they did? I can't see how it could have been done any sooner since there wasn't enough of a fleet for it, nor an international will. Or do you mean to find some lasting POLITICAL agreement, but how do you make it lasting?