unified European coalition against a brutal totalitarian state possibly millions of partisans joining Allied invasion most likely in the Ukraine the Soviet Union is not fighting a war of survival they're fighting against a war of liberation they lose.
If The Nazis don’t come into power, is a Second World War still likely?
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I doubt it. It’s not even just about defeating the Soviet Union in the field. It’s a logistical nightmare, the infrastructure is often poor and the weather is terrible.
Nazi Germany was fighting a two-front war when it started Operation Barbarossa and was able to get to the gates of Moscow you're telling me that the British Germans French polish and many other nations unified won't be able to bring them down because of logistics I don't see it it's not like the Soviets to blockade Europe they'll be getting plenty of supplies
Eastern European winter can possibly delay the fighting but the Soviets will not be able to break through the lines like they did in our timeline the Coalition forces will be well supplied and there will be more soldiers you also have partisan forces helping you seem to fail to realize how many people hated Stalin and the Bolsheviks a socialist Fanny Kaplan tried to kill Lenin for his hostile takeover of the government you do realize the Soviets lost the elections to the Socialist and ignore the people's will and took over the country it might seem far away to you while reading this but this s*** is still fresh in a lot of people's minds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1917_Russian_Constituent_Assembly_election not to mention all the purges and crap Stalin did there is no red alert crap the Soviet Union collapses under the weight of the European coalition liberating the oppressed workers of the Soviet Union.
Getting to Moscow doesn’t mean much and they didn’t really have two Fronts. Napoleon actually did take Moscow and look where that got him. Timoshenko said that losing Moscow would be a terrible loss, but that it wouldn’t mean surrender. Their primary goal would be to keep the Germans out of the Caucasus. The major campaigns of the Western Front had essentially ended with the surrender of France. The other Fronts in the Balkans were largely Italian troops with German reinforcements and leadership.
What partisans? If they’re at the Gates of Moscow, they’re already deep in Russian territory and Nazi Germany wanted to destroy the Russian people. If anything, Germany and their allies would need to deal with Russian partisans. They were fighting a war to prevent the annihilation of their country and their race.
very confused there is no Nazi Germany the only reason this war would happen is if the Soviet Union started it this isn't a war of Conquest this is a war of liberation this is a democratic Europe versus a totalitarian Soviet Union. they are not fighting for their survival they're fighting for Stalin and his oppressive regime
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Japan will still invade China, be irritated by the United States and its embargoes, and attacks them. There will be a war in the Pacific which ends with Allied victory after Japan surrenders from years of blockade and starvation.
If American gives the Philippines independence and doesn't move the Pacific Fleet to Hawaii, there likely is no war though.
If American gives the Philippines independence and doesn't move the Pacific Fleet to Hawaii, there likely is no war though.
This is very debatable. More recent history has proven that soldiers and people living under a tyrannical regime don’t like receiving bombs either, be they « liberation intended » bombs or « democratic » bombs.
And in these situations, it is very easy for the tyrannical regime to claim it is defending the fatherland : most people will naturally and automatically rally around the flag.
to be frankly honest Stalin was a paranoid wreck and would never start the war. he was terrified of a unified Europe. if you look at my first comment I basically said this.
I originally responded to someone who said that he would start the war
basically the ussr is petition similar to see how it was in 1992 I don't think Belarus would exist I actually think you might see a large polish-lithuanian Commonwealth formed
if Japan enters the war they might be able to Annex Sakhalin
Joseph Stalin commit suicide most likely but if he is captured you have a war trial Tribunal along with any of his executive staff that survived the war similar to the Nuremberg Trials money is on either St Petersburg or Kyiv where the trials are held majority of the Soviet government are probably hung Lavrentiy Beria might be drawn and quartered that sick bastard
us embargo Japan for the invasion of Indochina which will not happen since Nazi Germany does not exist
that's not going to fly in the Ukraine Stalin's orchestrated famine made that area ripe for revolution
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"No Nazis means USSR will invade Europe" is a stupid idea. Command and Conquer: Red Alert was intended to be an entertaining video game, not a realistic work of alternate history. Stalin was far too cautious to put the USSR in a situation where it would have to fight one Great Power alone, let alone three. Franco-Soviet alliance was made to contain Germany, along with complementary Franco-Czechoslovak and Soviet-Czechoslovak alliances. When France cowardly appeased Germany and abandoned Czechoslovakia Stalin re-aligned with Germany, to ensure that Germany would go west before it went east.
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There will be others simply for continued occupation of Japan or increased militarism in the region.
The question is who leads Germany?
Because the goal to unify the germans in one German state was almost unanimous in the german leadership. So some sort of rearrangment in that regard is in order for sure. If Germany is in the hands of some right wing militarist this will likely escalate to war.
Because the goal to unify the germans in one German state was almost unanimous in the german leadership. So some sort of rearrangment in that regard is in order for sure. If Germany is in the hands of some right wing militarist this will likely escalate to war.
the British and France are not tied down dealing with a hostile Germany so I don't see the Japanese militarism going to the levels it did in are timeline.
considering how much Nazi Germany got away with a right-wing militarist would probably just put the German military back into working order and possibly put the Kaiser back on the throne I do agree with you. you would have some form of a right-wing government take over due to Growing fears of the Soviets I'm thinking of government similar to Poland I don't see any annexation of Czechoslovakia or Austria
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Simple economics tell us a combined Anglo-French-German-associated powers alliance would be overwhelmingly likely to defeat the Soviet Union.
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Not so sure, tbh. At sea, sure. On the ground and air, where numbers really count? It would depend a lot on how well organized and prepared the soviet army is. Which would depend on when the war would star.
Tricky. It all depends on who is Chancellor in the place of GroFaz and above all who is President after Hindenburg finally dies. Let's not forget that the Nazis never won a majority in any of the free elections that they didn't rig. Let's also not forget that the the German economy was in the toilet because of the |Great Depression. Anyone from the SPD who comes to power instead of GroFaz is going to have to try and rebuild the economy whilst trying to avoid political threats from all sides, as well as an establishment that is led by manipulative idiots like Von Schleicher.