If the Confederates chose Howell Cobb’s as a president

[JWQ]

The issues is three for an attack on Washington in 1861. One is the confederacy were badly disorganized as well. Two it rained the following day which made it hard to keep up a pursuit. Three the US had already started fortifying and being reinforced by 3 years troops. Stonewall Jackson Brigade was in no shape to advance and he himself was wounded. I also read that the confederate had supply issues as well.

Could the south have won the civil war if they had marched on Washington after the Battle of Bull Run? - Quora

https://www.quora.com/Could-the-south-have-won-the-civil-war-if-they-had-marched-on-Washington-after-the-Battle-of-Bull-Run

Yes it has its potential!

I disagree that it’s game over,but it’s a game changer

In the long run it might be a disadvantage, because if Lincoln can avoid congressional backlash he can use this to finally have public support with him.

 

[UoBLoyalist]

Could the south have won the civil war if they had marched on Washington after the Battle of Bull Run? - Quora

https://www.quora.com/Could-the-south-have-won-the-civil-war-if-they-had-marched-on-Washington-after-the-Battle-of-Bull-Run

Yes it has its potential!

I disagree that it’s game over,but it’s a game changer

In the long run it might be a disadvantage, because if Lincoln can avoid congressional backlash he can use this to finally have public support with him.

Quora is not a reliable source. Literally anyone can post there.

 

[JWQ]

Lincoln would probably be forced do to overwhelming pressure to declare a armistice. Lincoln temporary lefts the Union blockade during the peace talks. Confederates make dc the short term capital building legitimacy and also issue the confederate Declaration of Independence. Britain and France are leaning to recognize the CSA. The longer the armistice the higher the chances the Union will let the south go for a exchange the capital will be returned to the union. That is also true with foreign recogn

The Union threatened war to any country that would recognize the csa .

War almost did happen over the Trent affair.
Considering in my time line the union take Charleston and Savannah This Victory is a steeping stone to international recognition and intervention. The peace talks eventually break down and in 1862 war resumes .
Lincoln under executive authority continues the war . Opposition wil be arrested as treason.
Lincoln gradually gains some support with the cry retake the capital! Lincoln’s main jackpot for Union support was when the Confederates evacuated DC and destroy the union capital buildings in the spring. He uses this to rally people to fight. However despite a stiffened resolution and resolve

Abe will send Sherman with a expedition to destroy Charleston,Savannah and avenge the capital through devastating.
Little Mack strategy is take Richmond winning the war with the hope they have now wear to evacuate.

 

[Mikestone8]

Lincoln would probably be forced do to overwhelming pressure to declare a armistice.

Pressure from whom?

With the Southerners gone, Congress is overwhelmingly Republican and will support the war. Having to move out of Washington for a few weeks (the worst that could happen) won't change their attitude except maybe to harden it and make it that much more anti-Southern.

 

[JWQ]

Quora is not a reliable source. Literally anyone can post there.

Look if you don’t want to be in this discussion then leave. However Quora often reflects public opinion as it gives their opinion. Always is loosing a capital breeds bad moral. The revolution and war of 1812 our capitals where new basically not old like Paris or London. At the very least this victory would be mean full because losing the capital is always bad. Now will the Confederates be Abel to hold the capital that is a different story. Either ignore the possibility read the book or go eat cake do whatever.

the confederacy,nazie Germany, Vietnam war possibly Germany from ww1 I would argue where domed to fail because of leadership.

Hitler had opportunities to win hitler being his worst weapon prevented that.
Ps there are some good expert s on that website and that book doesn’t go so much in pretend scenarios. Rather it goes in more into the mistakes.the csa probably could maybe hold the capital in April or march 1862 .

In the bookstonewall after his Shenandoah valley campaign .He wanted to invade Maryland and possibly go to Pennsylvania. His invasion is for raids to get the north tired of war by going to there on from yard. The book explains that with his forces choking supply lines they do would be forced to lose the city. Most of all Richmond is safe from capture in that stage.

the book is great and if you read it you might understand better.

 

[UoBLoyalist]

Look if you don’t want to be in this discussion then leave. However Quora often reflects public opinion as it gives their opinion. Always is loosing a capital breeds bad moral. The revolution and war of 1812 our capitals where new basically not old like Paris or London. At the very least this victory would be mean full because losing the capital is always bad. Now will the Confederates be Abel to hold the capital that is a different story. Either ignore the possibility read the book or go eat cake do whatever.

the confederacy,nazie Germany, Vietnam war possibly Germany from ww1 I would argue where domed to fail because of leadership.

Hitler had opportunities to win hitler being his worst weapon prevented that.
Ps there are some good expert s on that website and that book doesn’t go so much in pretend scenarios. Rather it goes in more into the mistakes.the csa probably could maybe hold the capital in April or march 1862 .

In the bookstonewall after his Shenandoah valley campaign .He wanted to invade Maryland and possibly go to Pennsylvania. His invasion is for raids to get the north tired of war by going to there on from yard. The book explains that with his forces choking supply lines they do would be forced to lose the city. Most of all Richmond is safe from capture in that stage.

the book is great and if you read it you might understand better.

Public opinion is often wrong. "Forced to lose the city" eh? I'm sure the Union would find no way to deal with cavalry raids as they did historically.

Also, telling me to go "eat cake" isn't as cute as you seem to think.

 

[Mort the Reaper]

What role would Davis play? IIRC, he wanted to be a general.

 

[CalBear]

Look if you don’t want to be in this discussion then leave. However Quora often reflects public opinion as it gives their opinion. Always is loosing a capital breeds bad moral. The revolution and war of 1812 our capitals where new basically not old like Paris or London. At the very least this victory would be mean full because losing the capital is always bad. Now will the Confederates be Abel to hold the capital that is a different story. Either ignore the possibility read the book or go eat cake do whatever.

the confederacy,nazie Germany, Vietnam war possibly Germany from ww1 I would argue where domed to fail because of leadership.

Hitler had opportunities to win hitler being his worst weapon prevented that.
Ps there are some good expert s on that website and that book doesn’t go so much in pretend scenarios. Rather it goes in more into the mistakes.the csa probably could maybe hold the capital in April or march 1862 .

In the bookstonewall after his Shenandoah valley campaign .He wanted to invade Maryland and possibly go to Pennsylvania. His invasion is for raids to get the north tired of war by going to there on from yard. The book explains that with his forces choking supply lines they do would be forced to lose the city. Most of all Richmond is safe from capture in that stage.

the book is great and if you read it you might understand better.

Oops, wrong.

Don't insult other members. Don't do things that require a Mod since - "mods are there to deal with assholes"

https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/forum-rules-and-guidelines.173163/

You now have 168 hours available to fulfill your backing interests.

See ya in 7.

 

[JWQ]

Oops, wrong.

Don't insult other members. Don't do things that require a Mod since - "mods are there to deal with assholes"

https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/forum-rules-and-guidelines.173163/

You now have 168 hours available to fulfill your backing interests.

See ya in 7.

Well I did not even know that eating a cake was offensive sorry . Anyway I’m going to make a new alternate history discussion y’all are welcome to watch. https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...history-of-the-confederate-revolution.498540/

if people agree to try to be helpful in this alternative history then they may comment. But if people continue to try to block my Avenue then I will be forced to bandmembers on my discussion. Okay? I do want to be open minded and I will try ,But I found us more unhelpful when people would comment

 

[JWQ]

What role would Davis play? IIRC, he wanted to be a general.

Jefferson Davis would be a confederate general. Now if he was a competent confederate general that’s disputed You should try reading this book

 

[Jeff Goldplum]

But if people continue to try to block my Avenue then I will be forced to bandmembers on my discussion.

What does this even mean

 

[JWQ]

What does this even mean

If it isn’t hard to explain I will try to explain it. I had another discussion that I hosted and people kept trying to say the alternative history couldn’t happen. When in reality they were ignoring a few historical facts . It almost seems as if they pretty much ignore the ball Ryan was a great skedaddle It almost seems as if they pretty much ignore the battle of bull run was indeed a Skedaddle for the union. However the Confederates didn’t use the fruits of victory to March on to dc . Now I understand that Johnston claims his troops where to disorganized . But in fact had Cobbs orders Beauregard to cross the stone bridge or the ford with his troops and pursue them during the night.Also had they ordered Unengaged forces to march on Centreville Threatening the retreating forces and to advance to the capital.
Jackson would need to cuts off communication/supplies by blocking the railway forcing the union out of Dc General lee Gives information of potential weak in the defenses. They could have captured dc with even minimal loss of life . OK so in reality at that time Washington was not that heavily fortified. They did have forts ,but it would not be impossible to accomplish.

I said that capturing a enemy capital might not end the war ,but a armistice would likely if not possibly happen. If there were strict orders not to destroy the capital buildings at least .Lincoln Would be pretty screwed I think. in my scenario the south ,because the south chooses not to be the aggressor. (They have a different competent president.

you are allowed to disagree with me ,but if you aren’t interested in in allowing this time line to be possibly then please exit. If you think the timeline is interesting then please watch. I disagree that the south could not have won the Civil War though their chances were not high compared to the north. Jefferson Davis was probably the best weapon in the north had .(Davis was president of the Confederacy)

 

[CalBear]

Well I did not even know that eating a cake was offensive sorry . Anyway I’m going to make a new alternate history discussion y’all are welcome to watch. https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...history-of-the-confederate-revolution.498540/

if people agree to try to be helpful in this alternative history then they may comment. But if people continue to try to block my Avenue then I will be forced to bandmembers on my discussion. Okay? I do want to be open minded and I will try ,But I found us more unhelpful when people would comment

Okay...

Bit to unpack here.

1. You DO NOT get to determine who may/may not post in your threads.

2. You do not have the authority nor the Ability to "Ban" anyone here from anything.

3. This particular post is one of the least "took that message to heart" return from kick posts that did not include excessive profanity that I can remember.

I strongly suggest that you modify your expectations.

 

[CalBear]

Closed at OP request.