If the Central Powers Win WWI, How Likely is WWII to Eventually Occur?

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Question--couldn't Germany simply block an Austrian request for Anchluss? After all, it's not like rump Austria can't survive as an independent state (as events after 1945 in our TL have indeed shown)!
Sure, but once A-H falls apart keeping them independent is counterproductive; they are so dependent on Germany economically, are economically integrated with Germany and Bohemia, would just be better off as part of a united military, and are better led by the German general staff than their own tiny one.
 
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CaliGuy

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Sure, but once A-H falls apart keeping them independent is counterproductive; they are so dependent on Germany economically, are economically integrated with Germany and Bohemia, would just be better off as part of a united military, and are better led by the German general staff than their own tiny one.
OK; understood.

Also, though, I've got a question--what will happen to Bohemia in this TL? A German annexation of all of it? A partition of it (with Germany getting the Sudetenland and the rest of Bohemia joining Czechoslovakia)?
 
OK; understood.

Also, though, I've got a question--what will happen to Bohemia in this TL? A German annexation of all of it? A partition of it (with Germany getting the Sudetenland and the rest of Bohemia joining Czechoslovakia)?

There is no "Czechoslovakia" without Bohemia. It contains pretty much the whole "Czech" part.

And would Germany annex it, I'd say yes.
 

Deleted member 1487

OK; understood.

Also, though, I've got a question--what will happen to Bohemia in this TL? A German annexation of all of it? A partition of it (with Germany getting the Sudetenland and the rest of Bohemia joining Czechoslovakia)?
Probably, though it might be as a protectorate for political reasons, but functionally it is an annexation.

True; in such a case, it would just be Slovakia.

And would 7+ million Czechs have actually been willing to be a part of the German Reich?
IIRC there were only about 6 million Czechs at the time. Yes they'd probably be added as part of the kingdom of Austria to the German empire. It would be considered part of Austria, which would have say the same level in the German Empire as Bavaria. And the Czechs would not get a choice. Slovakia would just stay a part of Hungary.
 

CaliGuy

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Probably, though it might be as a protectorate for political reasons, but functionally it is an annexation.

For political reasons?

IIRC there were only about 6 million Czechs at the time. Yes they'd probably be added as part of the kingdom of Austria to the German empire. It would be considered part of Austria, which would have say the same level in the German Empire as Bavaria. And the Czechs would not get a choice.

6.76 million Czechs is closer to 7 million than to 6 million:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Czech_Republic#After_World_War_I

Also, though, wouldn't the German Army have to crush a Czech rebellion?

Slovakia would just stay a part of Hungary.

Wouldn't the Slovaks rebel at this arrangement, though?
 
Well, they can try rebelling against this.
They can, but it's bound to look like a pretty terrifying prospect to rebel against 1/3rd of their local countrymen AND the power that just smashed all other Great Powers in war. Which has its heartland right next door.

Sounds more like the Vendee against the (1st) French Republic than Vietnam against the (4th) French Republic.
 

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For political reasons?
To get around the sticky issue of having a huge ethnic minority in Germany as part of the Empire. IIRC even in 1848 the Frankfurt Congress couldn't really agree on whether to include the Czechs in the planned Greater Germany. The 'Alldeutsche' movement would not be thrilled by having more Slavs in Germany.

6.76 million Czechs is closer to 7 million than to 6 million:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Czech_Republic#After_World_War_I

Also, though, wouldn't the German Army have to crush a Czech rebellion?
They could use the Austrians of course with some German help IF it came to that. Remember IOTL in 1939 and on there was only a Czech rebellion when the Soviets were ready to invade despite everything the Nazis were doing.
And my 6 million number came from 1912. Of course are Silesians really Czech???

Wouldn't the Slovaks rebel at this arrangement, though?
They were already part of Hungary and had been so for something like 900 years already, it was the creation of and independent Czechoslovakia that was really abnormal.
 
To get around the sticky issue of having a huge ethnic minority in Germany as part of the Empire. IIRC even in 1848 the Frankfurt Congress couldn't really agree on whether to include the Czechs in the planned Greater Germany. The 'Alldeutsche' movement would not be thrilled by having more Slavs in Germany.
The Frankurt Diet even expected the Czechs would become 'model german citizens' as they slowly would unify and Czcheh was expected to become like Masurian or Frisian, a local dialets you talk with friends but all people wrote and talk in german, if A-H goes kapoof(who i doubt it, victory would unify all pro-hasburg minorities and with cowed romanians the magyar magnates have their days numbered) Germany would just annex all Cislethania without thinking twice.
 
Without Wilson's 14 points will the whole national self determination thing even be a factor? Or as big a factor as it was IOTL? perhaps the constituent parts of AH might think union with Germany as a federal state looks like a better deal than other options around without the driver of the 14 points.
 
The Frankurt Diet even expected the Czechs would become 'model german citizens' as they slowly would unify and Czcheh was expected to become like Masurian or Frisian, a local dialets you talk with friends but all people wrote and talk in german, if A-H goes kapoof(who i doubt it, victory would unify all pro-hasburg minorities and with cowed romanians the magyar magnates have their days numbered) Germany would just annex all Cislethania without thinking twice.
Certainly not all of it, they have no interest in more poles
 
Certainly not all of it, they have no interest in more poles
Yeah Galicia-Lodemaria will be a mess, the most sensible choice would accept the old austria proposal of merged it with poland and give polish throne to the Hasburg Family(here would be Karl or otto) but germany otl say they were to wait(seems the kaiser or the kronzprinz wanted poland for themselves...) here they might bite the bullet if the mega if Austro-Hungary Collapse.
 
Germany would just annex all Cislethania without thinking twice.

I could see Austria proper, the Czech lands and maybe even Dalmatia, but the Polish portions are
A) filled with Poles
B) not easily defended

Krakow might be worth taking, but the rest is probably best left to spinning off as a satellite state.
 
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Yeah Galicia-Lodemaria will be a mess, the most sensible choice would accept the old austria proposal of merged it with poland and give polish throne to the Hasburg Family(here would be Karl or otto) but germany otl say they were to wait(seems the kaiser or the kronzprinz wanted poland for themselves...) here they might bite the bullet if the mega if Austro-Hungary Collapse.
Maybe with an AH collapse the Habsburgs will be compensated with the Kingdom of Poland while Austria itself is subsumed into the reich.
 
I could see Austria proper, the Czech lands and maybe even Dalmatia, but the Polish portions are
A) filled with Poles
B) not easily defended

Krakow might be worth taking, but the rest is probably best left to spinning off as a satellite state.
Personally I always liked the idea of Germany puppet Croatia-slovenia that nabs dalmatia and Istria (basically a big middle finger to the italians)
 
For one, you can have the Germans avoid resuming USW and thus having Wilson stick to his commitment to cut off loans to the Entente; thus, the Entente powers run out of money and Germany wins WWI on the Western Front by default, after which point Germany wins WWI on the Eastern Front and acquires Brest-Litovsk-style territorial gains (in order to permanently weaken Russia).

How and why the British can't turn to internal financing like the Germans is always glossed over.
 
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