If The Beer Hall Putsch was sucessful?

I know that in those days the Nazi party was not as popular as it came to be later, but let's suppose that Hitler's biography was launched in 1920 and Hitler was smarter, so he would wait until 1939 to invade Poland etc.ec.
 
If the Beer Hall Putsch is successfull and at least Munich and part of Bavaria is taken by the Nazi but the rest of Germany is still in Weimar Republic control and the Reichwehr is sent against the putschists.

Civil war is fight in all Germany as apart from Bavaria various others parts of Germany are controlled after a while by various rebel Reichwehr units, nazi or others right-wing group or reformed Freikorps. In the same time, various leftist or communists groups also take local control of various citied or regions.

Then French and Belgian Armies invaded with british blessing and Poles take control of various parts of eastern Germany. Probably even the Czech or the Italians can be involved.

Entente troops crushed any armed opposition and took every steps to stabilize the country by killing any armed opponents or sending them to some backwater french or belgian colonies. Various parts of Germany are occupied for the next ten years while without US investments, poverty and communist destabilisation are on rise.
 

Perkeo

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If the Beer Hall Putsch is successfull and at least Munich and part of Bavaria is taken by the Nazi but
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French and Belgian Armies invaded with british blessing and Poles take control of various parts of eastern Germany. Probably even the Czech or the Italians can be involved.

Parts of Germany were invaded IOTL. But ITTL the Dolchstoßlegende is vulnerable: Hitler, not the democratic government, causes the desaster.

Entente troops crushed any armed opposition and took every steps to stabilize the country by killing any armed opponents or sending them to some backwater french or belgian colonies. Various parts of Germany are occupied for the next ten years while without US investments, poverty and communist destabilisation are on rise.

Of the Entente powers realize that they have no interest in an unstable Germany. They did learn the lesson after WWII, despite Germany had given them very, very, very good reasons to ignore it.
 
Parts of Germany were invaded IOTL. But ITTL the Dolchstoßlegende is vulnerable: Hitler, not the democratic government, causes the desaster.



Of the Entente powers realize that they have no interest in an unstable Germany. They did learn the lesson after WWII, despite Germany had given them very, very, very good reasons to ignore it.

Well the Weimar Republic will not go without a fight and the destabilizing factor is some austrian born corporal at the head of a party with a very socialist wing.

So accusations of the Red Plague will be quick and the Entente will bring down the brownshirt thugs even if parts of the Reichwehr is with them.

I even believe that the monarchists and the traditionalists right-wing parts of german opinion and political parties will not support the Nazi but fight them fearing some communist manipulation.
 

Perkeo

Banned
Well the Weimar Republic will not go without a fight and the destabilizing factor is some austrian born corporal at the head of a party with a very socialist wing.

So accusations of the Red Plague will be quick and the Entente will bring down the brownshirt thugs even if parts of the Reichwehr is with them.

I even believe that the monarchists and the traditionalists right-wing parts of german opinion and political parties will not support the Nazi but fight them fearing some communist manipulation.

Surely, the Nazis cannot win a civil war in 1923, let alone when the Entente interfers.

The more interesting part is the reception. In the best case, both the brownshirt and the Freikorps are discredited for throwing the country from the frying pan into the fire.
 
This is a POD that requires quite some changes from OTL.
1 important one being that the Beer Hall Putsch by a band of thugs is no longer a Beer Hall Putsch, but rather a well coordinated nation-wide take over coordinated with elements of the wehrmacht and by a major popular movement. Not comparable at all to OTL.

In we go along with it, the thing in parallel is the timing more or less. The hyperinflation triggered by the French occupation Again triggered by the default on war reparations is at fault.
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IOTL, the Dawes plan helped stabilize Things, but it is VERY hard to see THIS new government accepting the war reparations that the Weimar regime did not (but Again, a political opportunit can do a few Things that normal humans cannot get them self to do). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Plan.

Most likely we have a situation were there is no Dawes plan and much more severe antagonism to the French occupation. IOTL, the British were against the French intervention, and having seen these disasterous consequences, there is the odd chance that the French will draw even more heat than OTL.
I am not sure what the results will be... An obvious possibility is that the new government falls when the economy dont stabilize. The French may invade more of Germany but that is a really unappealing solution for them to be drawn in deeper.
Maybe the German economy restabilizes without war reparations, but with the French in Ruhr, maybe the French get tired of constant strikes and sabotage and international blame and pull out officially stating that they got what they wanted to save face. Interestingly, in both the latter cases we have a German government defying Versailles.
 
Weimar Germany was on the brink of utter chaos by 1923, and the Entente was in no place to help order with troops. If the Beer Hall Putsch was popular enough to be successful, Hitler could take over the whole country with minimal resistance from the allies and with quite the popularity. The anti-Nazis would be split between communists and non-communists. It would be a bloody and chaotic war.
 
Why the Entente cannot help to restore ?

The Beer Hall Putsch is in november.

The French and the Belgians are still occupying the Ruhr and if their troops are targets of some nazi or right-wing fighters, they will probably send more troops to destroy the fighting bands.

If you refer to my first post :
- the Beer Hall Putsch had succeed but the Nazi only control Bavaria and some others parts of Germany and are fighiting a Civil War against the loyalist Reichwehr and some communists local uprisings.
 
The Kampfbund behind the Putsch is unlikely to have been able to march on Berlin and seize power. Circumstances in Germany were far different than those that allowed Mussolini to march on Rome.

Even the other far right parties in Germany would likely not agree to be lead by some unknown upstarts in Bavaria and Ludendorff, who was resented by many in the military for leading Germany into defeat. It is clearly possible for the Reichswehr and other Freikorps to stop the march if they wanted to (General von Seeckt had already promised to go against the right wing coup Von Kahr was plotting). Furthermore, unlike in Italy, both the head of state and majority of parties in parliament would be against it.

The same month the Beer Hall Putsch was made, the Weimar government and the Reichsbank finally implemented the Rentenmark and ended hyperinflation which stabilized the economy almost immediately. Provided the government can hold out for at least a month, then the big issue animating the Putsch vanishes.

The chances of a sucessful march on Berlin was low.

If we ignore this and say the Putsch was successful anyway, then Hitler is merely one person of several who is the leader of the coup. Ludendorff would be the obvious leader, and Ludendorff had no intention of being solely a figurehead. Furthermore, if the Putsch is successful, does that mean Von Kahr, Von Seisser, and Von Lossow are backers? If so, they are the most likely leaders since they already possess legitimacy as government overseers of Bavaria. Most likely, the non-Nazis are able to remove Hitler who did not enjoy anywhere near the fame or support in 1923 that he did in 1932.
 
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