If taiwan became muslim

I didn't mean they were culturally similar except very broadly. I meant they would probably face an experiences similar to how largely animist Dayaks have been treated by their Muslim neighbors. Some Dayak are Muslim converts, some became Christian, some remain animist, most are a combination of the last with one of the first two.

I don't know of any Muslim attempts to exterminate Dayak animists, like some in this thread feared would happen to Atayal if Taiwan became Muslim colonized or had many Muslim missionaries. The opposite has happened in recent history, where Dayaks, fed up with the large number of outside colonists, attacked a number who had displaced them from their lands. I don't think religion played any major role in the attacks.

I don't know where all this extermination of pagans thing comes from. This has never happened, yet everyone always seems to assume it will in every case where Islam encounters pagans. They did rule India, you know, and managed not to exterminate everyone.
 
Stone age cultures aren't incapable of producing great art. "Stone-age" really only applies to technology. There are no "stone-age" languages, i.e. all languages are relatively comparable in complexity and the ability to convey complicated and abstract ideas.

My point is that that Taiwan had no trade goods that would attract Arab merchants all the way from Arabia. They certainly aren't going to be buying pagan idols, no matter how beautifully crafted!

If Islam spreads to Taiwan, it will be through the agency of merchants (presuming some reason for them to be there develops), so any conversion is going to be voluntary.

how about the plains tribes?
 
I didn't mean they were culturally similar except very broadly. I meant they would probably face an experiences similar to how largely animist Dayaks have been treated by their Muslim neighbors. Some Dayak are Muslim converts, some became Christian, some remain animist, most are a combination of the last with one of the first two.

I don't know of any Muslim attempts to exterminate Dayak animists, like some in this thread feared would happen to Atayal if Taiwan became Muslim colonized or had many Muslim missionaries. The opposite has happened in recent history, where Dayaks, fed up with the large number of outside colonists, attacked a number who had displaced them from their lands. I don't think religion played any major role in the attacks.


Firstable, I didn't say anything about they being culturally similar with the Dayaks, but how would they be good enough for a Dayak analogue ?

The next, the Dayaks only attempted to exterminate the Madurans. Actually, it was kinda Madurans VS everybody minus Javanese and Banjars (the last two being neutral, and Javanese will always want to be neutral whenever things like that happening whenever possible)

And whenever you're talking about "how the Dayaks had been treated by their muslim neighbors", especially since the last 100 years prior to the most recent ethnic strife in Kalimantan, the "muslim neighbors" were Madurans, in which when the Dayaks decided to take revenge against them, the other muslims gladly helped them. Even the Chinese did !

Also, no body did ever mention about anything about the muslims will going to massacre native Taiwanese until your mentioning about that exact issue, btw.
 
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To have Muslim traders reach Taiwan isn't implausible per se, after all they made it to the southern Philippines in OTL, and there was seaborne trade between China and the Middle East as early as the Tang dynasty. But IMHO it wouldn't have made such a big difference, since until the 17th century Taiwan was only populated by stone-age aboriginal tribes. Those were crowded out between the 17th and 19th centuries by Chinese settlers from Fujian, and this would have taken place whichever religion the aborigines had. As for the Chinese themselves, I don't see why they would have turned to Islam.

Well....the Hui are a long-established Muslim community in China (and kind of sort of disprove the Flocc-Hendryk theorem) so it's not entirely implausible. Nobody looking at Augustan-era Rome would have predicted Constantine, either.
 
Well....the Hui are a long-established Muslim community in China (and kind of sort of disprove the Flocc-Hendryk theorem) so it's not entirely implausible. Nobody looking at Augustan-era Rome would have predicted Constantine, either.

Sure, but that would require the Huis to at least economically dominate Fujian and maybe also Guang Dong to make a muslim Taiwan, up to the level that they are also in charge of "Taiwan affairs". It is as cool mental image as it is hard to get, by the way.... :cool::(
 
So, we have Imjin War in this world, or not ?

yes,we do have..

i have an draft alternate world map version(no borders yet) without mongol conquest,a muslim taiwan and no thailand....
DRAFT_EAST_ASIA_ALT_MAP_WO_BORDERS.jpg
 
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yes,we do have..

Then how will you overcome the antagonism between Japan and Korea resulted by that war ? I guess it all depends on what will the Taiwan muslim traders need. But if the basis of Korean Islamization lies in... JAPAN, then I really doubt it. Though Japanese era of isolationism will be less likely to happen ITTL, I agree, but if we're talking about Korea, it's still.....
 
i have an draft alternate world map version(no borders yet) without mongol conquest,a muslim taiwan and no thailand....
DRAFT_EAST_ASIA_ALT_MAP_WO_BORDERS.jpg

Without Mongol Conquest = No Yuan Dynasty = No Invasion of Japan by the Mongols and No Ming Dynasty = No Imjin War !

Please, think of butterflies.

But without Mongol conquest Islamic Korea will be easier to gain indeed. Just make Manchuria and maybe Shandong, Islamic as very good prequisites !
 
Without Mongol Conquest = No Yuan Dynasty = No Invasion of Japan by the Mongols and No Ming Dynasty = No Imjin War !

Please, think of butterflies.

But without Mongol conquest Islamic Korea will be easier to gain indeed. Just make Manchuria and maybe Shandong, Islamic as very good prequisites !

Yes,it will be easy and also no mongol invasion no thailand and laos.
 

Hmm....

Firstable, I don't think Islamic Taiwan would be commonly known as "Taiwan". There will be another name for it. Maybe something more Kapampangan perhaps ? Or did the Taiwan natives have their own name for the island ?

Also, Brunei's location is kinda displaced. It is originally just southwest of the location refered by your map as Brunei. By the way, the medieval name for the country was Boni, but that may well be was only the Chinese pronounciation. The Javanese called it "Berune" during its vassalage by them.

And what's with that Malaya-entity covering all of the Peninsula and Sumatra. Do you actually mean "Sriwijaya" ?€
 
well...

Hmm....

Firstable, I don't think Islamic Taiwan would be commonly known as "Taiwan". There will be another name for it. Maybe something more Kapampangan perhaps ? Or did the Taiwan natives have their own name for the island ?

Also, Brunei's location is kinda displaced. It is originally just southwest of the location refered by your map as Brunei. By the way, the medieval name for the country was Boni, but that may well be was only the Chinese pronounciation. The Javanese called it "Berune" during its vassalage by them.

And what's with that Malaya-entity covering all of the Peninsula and Sumatra. Do you actually mean "Sriwijaya" ?€
It was called as taiwan by siraya natives..

Malaya is the state of malays i renamed it to "malaysia"

I corrected Brunei's territory...

I merged the sultanates of sulu,maguindanao and cebu because cebuanos are multiplying and expanding south,Sulawesi is included in that merged empire....

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1) It was called as taiwan by siraya natives..

2) Malaya is the state of malays i renamed it to "malaysia"

3) I corrected Brunei's territory...

4) I merged the sultanates of sulu,maguindanao and cebu because cebuanos are multiplying and expanding south,Sulawesi is included in that merged empire....

1) Hmm....

2) Impossible name ! The name Malaysia was a British invention !!

3) How about ejecting their territory in Sabah for territory in Sarawak ? It being lowlands made it the traditional Brunei's subject afterall, compared to the more hadrly accessible Sabah due to the Geography and the polity being not into expansions toward mountainous areas.

4) I can only bleed my eyes seeing what you did there..... T_T
 
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