If Tai(thai/lao) did not come to present thailand

If Thais did not come to present thailand

Could Vietnam annex Cambodia and Champa making a bigger vietnam and become a rival to the mons?
 
do you think it is possible?
IIRC Cambodia was pretty powerful (even controlling the Mekong Delta and southern Vietnam) until crushed by the Thai. This domination would continue ITTL, so I could see a weaker Vietnam and very powerful Cambodia.
 
My understanding is before the Thai migration in the 10th century, modern Thailand was occupied by Malays, Khmer, and Mon peoples.

As the poster above said, one of the least likely outcomes would be a stronger Vietnam. At this point, the Vietnamese were only in the northern third of present day Vietnam, and I don't see their crossing into the hilly regions of modern-day Laos to migrate into northern Thailand. Most likely other powers in Southeast Asia will be strengthened.
 
My understanding is before the Thai migration in the 10th century, modern Thailand was occupied by Malays, Khmer, and Mon peoples.

As the poster above said, one of the least likely outcomes would be a stronger Vietnam. At this point, the Vietnamese were only in the northern third of present day Vietnam, and I don't see their crossing into the hilly regions of modern-day Laos to migrate into northern Thailand. Most likely other powers in Southeast Asia will be strengthened.

But if vietnam was supported by china in that invasion or cambodia became slightly vietified in culture it would be easier or a islamic vietnam scenario
 
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But if vietnam was supported by china in that invasion or cambodia became slightly vietified in culture it would be easier or a islamic vietnam scenario

Vietnam was ruled by China for 1,000 years. The Vietnamese hate the Chinese. I don't see any way that China will allow the now independent Vietnam to become *more* powerful. They'll be more likely to ally with the kmer to crush Vietnam if anything.

What do you mean by "Cambodia becoming veitified?" even if it does absorb Vietnamese culture, that doesn't mean it will be willingly annexed.

Finally, if there was an Islamic Vietnam, most likely it would be called Champa. :D
 
Vietnam was ruled by China for 1,000 years. The Vietnamese hate the Chinese. I don't see any way that China will allow the now independent Vietnam to become *more* powerful. They'll be more likely to ally with the kmer to crush Vietnam if anything.

What do you mean by "Cambodia becoming veitified?" even if it does absorb Vietnamese culture, that doesn't mean it will be willingly annexed.

Finally, if there was an Islamic Vietnam, most likely it would be called Champa. :D

An islamized dai viet is possible if song dynasty survives and becomes islamized....
 

There's no way that the Arabs could have conquered all of India...

An islamized dai viet is possible if song dynasty survives and becomes islamized....

The Chinese aren't particularly conductive to Islam; granted, there are a few million Muslim Chinese, but far more are converting to Christianity or staying with traditional religions as they are far more compatible with Chinese culture.
 
There's no way that the Arabs could have conquered all of India...



The Chinese aren't particularly conductive to Islam; granted, there are a few million Muslim Chinese, but far more are converting to Christianity or staying with traditional religions as they are far more compatible with Chinese culture.

It could happen if the arabs found their weakness

yes,chinese can become muslims if they syncretize it...
 
It could happen if the arabs found their weakness

Every group that has tried to conquer all of India has failed. Even the British couldn't do it- India was only united after its independence in 1947., and even today, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sir Lanka, and Burma are STILL independent...

yes,chinese can become muslims if they syncretize it...

But even with that happening, as in RL, it still doesn't work.

EDIT: Why are you so obsessed with Islamowank? It's the ONLY topic you've posted about in almost every post...
 
Every group that has tried to conquer all of India has failed. Even the British couldn't do it- India was only united after its independence in 1947., and even today, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sir Lanka, and Burma are STILL independent...



But even with that happening, as in RL, it still doesn't work.

EDIT: Why are you so obsessed with Islamowank? It's the ONLY topic you've posted about in almost every post...

You should remember that burma is in south east asia not india allot of tribes in present day thailand have territories in burma such as mons..
 
You should remember that burma is in south east asia not india allot of tribes in present day thailand have territories in burma such as mons..

Actually, many historians and cultural geographers consider Burma as part of South Asia, not Southeast Asia.

And you haven't responded to my concerns...
 
Actually, many historians and cultural geographers consider Burma as part of South Asia, not Southeast Asia.

And you haven't responded to my concerns...
I am just obsessed with islamic history...


I was just thinking if a vietnamese dominated indochina is possibe?
 
AFAIK, the general movement in southeast Asia has been southward. If the Thai didn't move into Siam, would they or the Vietnamese get squashed between China and Cambodia?
 
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